Update: Gathering Rules

3278 · Post by **3278** » Wed Apr 17, 2002 1:01 pm

Just like last year, the purpose of the Gathering is getting together as a community, meeting, talking and hanging out. It is a great way to build friendships and get to know people who otherwise would just be a name on the screen. Last year was an amazing success and we all had a stupid amount of fun, ask anyone who was there. That’s why we’re doing it again this year. Between last year’s Gathering and the 2k2 event, there is one big difference:

Gathering 2002 will be held in a semi-public place, not owned by a member of the community, so we could theoretically get kicked out, fined by the owner, or even arrested in some cases.

Seeing as how we don’t want this to happen to anyone attending, we’ve laid down some very basic, very common sense rules.

Rules

No firearms.
The legal drinking age is 21.
There is a strict "no drugs" policy in regards to Mr. Hayes' resort and its property. While we cannot guarantee that /no one/ will use drugs, we do not endorse such behavior, and will not allow it on Hayes' property.
Don’t fight. You’re not there to be Joe Testosterone. Need to fight anyways? Leave the cabin site and come back to show us the bruises.
Pocket knives are fine, legal size is the width of your palm. Be sensible. A machete is not a pocket knife.
Paintball guns stay locked in your trunk until you are on the playing field. Paint and tanks can be kept in the cabin to keep from melting/exploding.
Swords, axes, bows, etc., stay locked in your trunk until you need them for your RenFaire costume or something comparable.
No fireworks allowed. It breaks down like this: it's legal to buy it, it's legal to own it and if you're the proprietor of a fireworks bar, it's legal to sell it. It's legal to carry it, which doesn't really matter 'cause - get a load of this - if the Caz stops you, it's legal for him to stick you in a box and FedEx you home.
There is a "You break it, you buy it" policy regarding all Hayes property.
Long-distance phone calls are made from a pay phone, not from the cabin. You want to do the accounting afterwards?

All rules posted above will be enforced. Failure to comply will result in you being asked to leave.

These are the rules. Thanks for helping us make the Gathering run smoothly.

Cash · Post by **Cash** » Wed Apr 17, 2002 1:04 pm

Kick ass, 32!

FlameBlade · Post by **FlameBlade** » Wed Apr 17, 2002 2:04 pm

Extremely fair rules, 32. But only problem is drinking age

You see..>I'm 6 months before I can drink by then. The curse of being 20 years old

Instant Cash · Post by **Instant Cash** » Wed Apr 17, 2002 2:33 pm

Flame:: Trust us, we hate the rules also. however since it isnt our house we are playing at, we have to abid by the house rules.

WE dont like it, but there isnt much we can do next to overthrowing the governement.

3278 · Post by **3278** » Wed Apr 17, 2002 2:37 pm

...which we looked into.

Van Der Litreb · Post by **Van Der Litreb** » Wed Apr 17, 2002 2:57 pm

...and it turns out they're doing a fine job, themselves.

Daki · Post by **Daki** » Wed Apr 17, 2002 3:03 pm

We could just take over the state of Wisconsin...

EvanMoore · Post by **EvanMoore** » Wed Apr 17, 2002 3:26 pm

...yes, but who would take it back when we were finished with it?

Evan

Instant Cash · Post by **Instant Cash** » Wed Apr 17, 2002 3:56 pm

That and I dont think even WI has enough cheese to support us all.

Daki · Post by **Daki** » Wed Apr 17, 2002 4:43 pm

It barely has enough to satisfy Deev.

FlameBlade · Post by **FlameBlade** » Wed Apr 17, 2002 5:58 pm

ICE: you misunderstand. I don't hate the rule. We need it, because getting in trouble on the first day is the last thing that I want to happen to us. Also, I understand the laws, and I don't intend to drink at all...because I want to win at those board games because most of others would be too drunk to see what is hell is going on and why I'm so good with cards

And hey, why don't we overtake Dutch government? I mean, there's so many vacant seats? I mean, we can rename Netherlands "Bulldrekia"

DV8 · Post by **DV8** » Wed Apr 17, 2002 7:18 pm

I'm down. I want to be Minister of Oppression, though

Instant Cash · Post by **Instant Cash** » Wed Apr 17, 2002 7:49 pm

FlameBlade wrote: ICE: you misunderstand. I don't hate the rule. We need it, because getting in trouble on the first day is the last thing that I want to happen to us. Also, I understand the laws, and I don't intend to drink at all...because I want to win at those board games because most of others would be too drunk to see what is hell is going on and why I'm so good with cards

Actually Flame I wasn't commin down on you. I was just telling everyone the reasoning we had behind that statement. Don't worry, I remember you being very responsible at the last gathering and I am sure it will happen again.

Just answering questions as they come up is all, no worries :cool

JohnnyRico · Post by **JohnnyRico** » Wed Apr 17, 2002 9:52 pm

3278 wrote: Rules
No firearms.

The legal drinking age is 21.

There is a strict "no drugs" policy in regards to Mr. Hayes' resort and its property. While we cannot guarantee that /no one/ will use drugs, we do not endorse such behavior, and will not allow it on Hayes' property.

Don’t fight. You’re not there to be Joe Testosterone. Need to fight anyways? Leave the cabin site and come back to show us the bruises.

Pocket knives are fine, legal size is the width of your palm. Be sensible. A machete is not a pocket knife.

Paintball guns stay locked in your trunk until you are on the playing field. Paint and tanks can be kept in the cabin to keep from melting/exploding.

Swords, axes, bows, etc., stay locked in your trunk until you need them for your RenFaire costume or something comparable.

There is a "You break it, you buy it" policy regarding all Hayes property.

Long-distance phone calls are made from a pay phone, not from the cabin. You want to do the accounting afterwards?

All rules posted above will be enforced. Failure to comply will result in you being asked to leave.

These are the rules. Thanks for helping us make the Gathering run smoothly.

Ok, question on the Paintball gun rule. Can one concievably swap the placement of the tank & paint with the marker in the trunk for the purposes of showing off said marker to other paintball enthusiasts?

Instant Cash · Post by **Instant Cash** » Wed Apr 17, 2002 10:08 pm

Show it at the trunk

We are just trying to keep the minimum amount of projectial devices away from people and prying eyes.

Hell, I will probably even check it out, but it will only be breifly. Been awhile since I checked out a tippman, I have been after an autococker for way to long.

FlameBlade · Post by **FlameBlade** » Wed Apr 17, 2002 10:42 pm

Question: What about dishes/clean up duties? Will it be on rotating basis? We gotta clean up after ourselves. They would be more inclined to accept us again if we keep the place cleaner before when we got in...at least, that's what I hear.

EvanMoore · Post by **EvanMoore** » Wed Apr 17, 2002 10:52 pm

I'll check with my wife, but I might pimp her cleaning skills out... <chuckles>

Not *mine* of course, because I don't *have* any....

Evan

Cazmonster · Post by **Cazmonster** » Wed Apr 17, 2002 10:58 pm

This was an ugly topic previously. How about we table this discussion until a later date?

Cazmonster moves to table the current topic.

FlameBlade · Post by **FlameBlade** » Thu Apr 18, 2002 12:34 am

Seconded.

EvanMoore · Post by **EvanMoore** » Thu Apr 18, 2002 4:08 am

My wife said that when we show up, she'd be happy to help clean up any existing messes. Our girls are really good at that, too.

That can be part of our contribution.

Evan

Thorn · Post by **Thorn** » Thu Apr 18, 2002 5:10 am

Evan, while that's a seriously lovely offer from your wife (does she actually /know/ what she's offering even?!), I personally will have an aneurysm if I see her cleaning up after a bunch of people perfectly capable of cleaning up after themselves. It's a weird peeve of mine, I admit, but... I just can't stomach the idea of her coming all that way just to scrub our scummy dishes.

EvanMoore · Post by **EvanMoore** » Thu Apr 18, 2002 5:20 am

Thorn,
My wife, when I asked said to me, "Of course I would! I can't believe you actually asked me! I do that everywhere I go!"

If there's a mess, she'll tackle it--or help whoever is tackling it. She's just that way.

Evan

Thorn · Post by **Thorn** » Thu Apr 18, 2002 5:30 am

I'll be sure to locate an emergency provider that's covered by my insurance ahead of time then....

Kwyndig · Post by **Kwyndig** » Thu Apr 18, 2002 6:29 am

That's funny, my mom sometimes does my dishes when she comes out to visit

Thorn · Post by **Thorn** » Thu Apr 18, 2002 6:45 am

Most people's mom's do that. And that's cool.

But Evan's wife isn't mom to any of us. She shouldn't have to clean up after us. We're all ostensibly grown-ups, or close enough to it to make arguments about "age being an arbitrary measure, and people really should make judgments about other people based on how /mature/ they are", so picking up our own shit shouldn't be beyond our abilities.

If Evan and family pay a visit to the Gather-ers, they should be able to just hang out. Sure, if we're making dinner and Evan's wife wants to pitch in, that's dandy. But if Evan's wife is in some cabin doing dishes while everyone else is outside goofing off... Why look! There's the Angry Button!

If we want someone to come clean up after us, everyone chip in $5 and put in a call to Merry Maids or something.

DV8 · Post by **DV8** » Thu Apr 18, 2002 6:58 am

I think that everyone is sensible enough to pitch in where needed. If you don't, you'll become a social pariah and we'll hate you forever. There, settled.

EvanMoore · Post by **EvanMoore** » Thu Apr 18, 2002 7:34 am

Ooo! Then others can be a social pariah just like me!!

<grin>

Evan

Eva · Post by **Eva** » Thu Apr 18, 2002 7:50 am

DV8 wrote: I think that everyone is sensible enough to pitch in where needed. If you don't, you'll become a social pariah and we'll hate you forever. There, settled.

Every now and then I get reminded of why I love you madly. Thank you.

Cash · Post by **Cash** » Thu Apr 18, 2002 9:15 am

Thorn:: Nice to see that the '50's are alive and kicking, eh?

MooCow · Post by **MooCow** » Thu Apr 18, 2002 10:35 am

Like I said on the cleaning subject before, I'll keep the bathroom clean for as long as I'm there (until wednesday). I'll even take care of all three bathrooms. I know that's not a fun job for most people, and while I wouldn't say I enjoy it, it bothers me none. I spent 3 seasons cleaning public restrooms at an amusment park. While I realize that you all are an exceptionally creative bunch, I'm pretty sure there won't be any mess I haven't tackled before.

MooCow
The cleaning cow

Eva · Post by **Eva** » Thu Apr 18, 2002 10:43 am

Evan: how old are your girls?

3278 · Post by **3278** » Thu Apr 18, 2002 11:08 am

DV8 wrote:I think that everyone is sensible enough to pitch in where needed. If you don't, you'll become a social pariah and we'll hate you forever. There, settled.

Oh, good. Dennis found a way to say this tactfully. What /I/ was going to say was, "We'll handle it this way: Don't be a fucking asshole."

It's dishes and cleaning, people. Seriously. Don't be a fucking asshole.

Wildfire · Post by **Wildfire** » Thu Apr 18, 2002 1:33 pm

I play too much in the SCA. If I leave site and it isn't cleaner than when I got there, something is definiety wrong.

I'm good with the sweeping thing (which for some odd reason, no one ever wants to do, I think its fun), and dishes are cool, too...not good with taking out trash much, but am good with clutter cleanup...

Here's a question, do the cabins have things like garbage bags, brooms, dish drying racks and towels, or should be arrange to bring some?

Thorn · Post by **Thorn** » Thu Apr 18, 2002 2:56 pm

AFAIK, all cabins have dishwashing machines. All linens, also afaik, need to be brought. Of course, when I had a big wad of dish towels that could have gotten thrown away, I shoved them aside, for exactly this.

EvanMoore · Post by **EvanMoore** » Thu Apr 18, 2002 4:50 pm

Eva wrote: Evan: how old are your girls?

Victoria is 6 going on 24. She reads at a 5th grade level. She's Bex's "righ hand girl". Aside from being young and immature in general she conducts herself quite well. Many times I expect more out of her than I should because she's capable of so much. Victoria has a brilliance and an elegance that must come from her mother. Her greatest desire is to be a princess or a queen. Please do not mention if you know a country lacking one of these, she will pester me to move there. Victoria is polite and talks to just about anyone--but aloof even with close friends (even her father, sometimes!).

Rene'e is 4 going on ... well ... 4. She wishes she was a little baby, still. Middle child syndrome? <shrug> I don't know. She chose not to speak till she was nearly 3 1/2. She is the only child we have who sucks her thumb--and she still does it. She can be utterly delightful one moment and the next jam her feet so firmly into the soil that she becomes the proverbial "immoveable object". It will take Rene'e a little time to warm up to anyone--but once she does, you will be a friend for life.

Naomi will be 2 by the time you meet her--July 26th is her birthday. She is much like Victoria in her achievements. She decided to potty train herself at 19 months. She's not perfect with it, but she's actually better than Rene'e about not wetting the bed. She is one smart cookie. She also despises the word "no" and will pout--jutting out her lower lip and everything--when she hears it. Naomi picks whom she likes very quickly and that person will be her buddy. Others may be accepted later, but she will have her buddy(s) chosen within minutes.

We usually get compliments on how well behaved the girls are--and we also keep our eyes on them very closely. However, if you see them doing something you do not approve of, you do not need to ask my permission to be the adult in the situation. We have chosen to "house proof" our children--however, in a new situation, they will need to know the boundaries.

Bex is a food nazi with the girls (and herself), so be aware that giving candy, chips, soda, hot-dogs, marshmallows, etc. to the girls will annoy her (you would never know if it I didn't tell you). I, on the other hand (as you shall see when you meet me), am not a food nazi.

What was this thread about again? <scratching head>

Evan

P.S. Wife: Bex. Daughters: Victoria, Rene'e, Naomi.

3278 · Post by **3278** » Thu Apr 18, 2002 6:05 pm

Thorn wrote:AFAIK, all cabins have dishwashing machines. All linens, also afaik, need to be brought. Of course, when I had a big wad of dish towels that could have gotten thrown away, I shoved them aside, for exactly this.

Thank you for reminding me: I'll have some more information on what the cabins do and do not include soon. Well, I have the information, but I have to do some typing.

Kwyndig · Post by **Kwyndig** » Thu Apr 18, 2002 6:14 pm

*Cracks a whip over 3278's head.*

Oh, erm, sorry.

Wildfire · Post by **Wildfire** » Thu Apr 18, 2002 7:15 pm

You're so cool Thorn. You think of everything....

Okay, I'll wait until we get a list of what the cabins do and don't have and then see if we need to bring/buy anything, like oh, say dishwashing detergent if there are in fact diswashers

FlameBlade · Post by **FlameBlade** » Thu Apr 18, 2002 7:28 pm

Does it have bathroom?

Cash · Post by **Cash** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 12:35 am

[grandpa]Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to use the outhouse.[/grandpa] *leaves*

[marge]But we don't have an outhouse...[/marge]

[homer]My toolshed!!![/homer]

Eva · Post by **Eva** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 8:12 am

3278 wrote: Thank you for reminding me: I'll have some more information on what the cabins do and do not include soon. Well, I have the information, but I have to do some typing. :)

That post will likely include some info on what Planning is providing and a To Bring list for attendees. More later!

Szechuan · Post by **Szechuan** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:40 am

About the paintball guns:
Me and Rag should be able to rent/borrow some from the field, right?
Because quite frankly there is no fucking way I'm going to try and get a paintball gun across the border.

Eva · Post by **Eva** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 11:29 am

Clever monkey. :o)

DV8 · Post by **DV8** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 11:35 am

Prophecy rip-off...but a cool one.

Instant Cash · Post by **Instant Cash** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 2:21 pm

Alll paintbal fields I have been to you can rent guns. I mean if your an owner of a field, and you can make even more money renting guns, wouldn't you?

Cash · Post by **Cash** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 2:36 pm

That is correct. Depending on the field and the package bought, you'll either get pumps *shudder* or semi-autos, most likely Tippmans

Eva · Post by **Eva** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 3:02 pm

DV8 wrote: Prophecy rip-off...but a cool one. :)

For the longest time I had no idea what you meant by this, but now I do. Actually, it's an Elf thing, but for now, Christopher Walken will do. Or Viggo Mortensen, I'm egal really. ;o)

Daki · Post by **Daki** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 3:42 pm

One of my alltime favorite scenes in a movie...

Christopher Walken as Gabriel, preventing a human from dying. Her waking up and him looking down at her with a big smile, "Hi!"

And re: paintball, all courses (except a few pro ones) have guns for rent. It's where they make most of their profits.

Bishop · Post by **Bishop** » Fri Apr 26, 2002 4:06 pm

As far as cleaning goes, I do anything but bathrooms. I clean a commercial kitchen 5-6 nights a week....cleaning up after Bullldrekkers should be much the same. And as far as the rules go.......Does that mean, 32, no Katana?

3278 · Post by **3278** » Fri Apr 26, 2002 4:12 pm

Bishop wrote:And as far as the rules go.......Does that mean, 32, no Katana?

For everyone else: yes, but it stays in the trunk. For you: NO!