Phys Ad question.

Brineshrimp · Post by **Brineshrimp** » Sat Jan 04, 2003 6:53 am

Okay, so what initiate powers are available to phys ads?

I have a level 2 initiate that I would love to "complete" with said info.

Darth Sophia · Post by **Darth Sophia** » Sat Jan 04, 2003 9:13 am

Centering, Masking, Divining (I believe) - maybe more, but these are just off the top of my head...

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Sat Jan 04, 2003 1:12 pm

Sensing, Channelling if the GM allows it, should add that adept Centering is different from regular centering.

Oh, and physical magicians can get any and all metamagics.

Darth Sophia · Post by **Darth Sophia** » Sat Jan 04, 2003 3:09 pm

Were my metamagics wrong?

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Sat Jan 04, 2003 3:18 pm

Not at all. I was just adding.

MooCow · Post by **MooCow** » Sat Jan 04, 2003 3:32 pm

Basically, if it doesn't involve spell casting or summoning they can take it. So...

Centering, Divining, and Masking. Anything else requires sorcery, conjuring, or astral projection.

I have no idea what Sensing and Channeling are, as they aren't listed in the 3rd ed Magic in the Shadows.

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Sat Jan 04, 2003 3:39 pm

Those are in Target: Awakened Lands

I guess I should also add Psychometry from SOTA:2063

Darth Sophia · Post by **Darth Sophia** » Sat Jan 04, 2003 3:40 pm

Maybe they are listed in Shadows of Who Gives a Fuck?

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Sat Jan 04, 2003 3:43 pm

Your accent's showing.

Darth Sophia · Post by **Darth Sophia** » Sat Jan 04, 2003 3:52 pm

Or the fact that it is 2 am, and I have been shot-down by "yet" another...

MooCow · Post by **MooCow** » Sat Jan 04, 2003 4:08 pm

Those are in Target: Awakened Lands

I guess I should also add Psychometry from SOTA:2063

Right.... looking at those...

Channeling is out by the rules, because it requires the conjuring skill. Sensing looks like it would be ok, although I might require the Adept to take Astral Perception. I know it says you don't have to astrally percieve, but there is a difference between not needing to and not being able to.

I don't see any actual rules for Psychometry, so I can't really say. I would say it's linking to Astral Perception, so would require that power. But that's my take. Are there actual mechanics listed for Sympathetic magic? What page?

Brineshrimp · Post by **Brineshrimp** » Sat Jan 04, 2003 6:04 pm

So, if I take masking, can I then take masking again? Say my initiate's first "mask" is that of a mundane. Can his second be that of a cyber-zombie?

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Sat Jan 04, 2003 8:37 pm

Conjuring requires having a spirit owe you services; it's not impossible for a physad to use it...just extremely unlikely.

MooCow · Post by **MooCow** » Sat Jan 04, 2003 11:00 pm

Conjuring requires having a spirit owe you services; it's not impossible for a physad to use it...just extremely unlikely.

No. Conjuring involves channeling magic, summoning a spirit, and forcing it to owe you services.

Phys Ad's could take conjuring as a knowledge skill, but not as an active skill. It would be like a para-palegic with the running skill. Doesn't make sense.

Jestyr · Post by **Jestyr** » Sat Jan 04, 2003 11:06 pm

Ancient History wrote:Oh, and physical magicians can get any and all metamagics.

Can they? Under 2nd Ed it was iffy, but under 3rd Ed, they are just a variant of adepts. I can't check, since I don't have my copy of MitS here, but unless it explicitly says they can get any metamagical power they like then they're just adepts and can only get the adept's metamagical powers.

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Sat Jan 04, 2003 11:27 pm

Okay, first off, above I meant "Channelling" instead of COnjuring.
I.e. I don't see any reason why an adept who has a spirit that owes him/her services can't use Channelling the metamagic. Theres a few different ways this can happen.

Second, I BELIEVE that Physical Magicians can gain any metamagic, but I haven't checked. I could be wrong.

MooCow · Post by **MooCow** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 12:01 am

Second, I BELIEVE that Physical Magicians can gain any metamagic, but I haven't checked. I could be wrong.

I have. You are.

It specifically says that you must be able to meet the stated requirements. A Phys Ad can't learn Quickening, because it requires the the Sorcery Skill. I think it makes an example of Possesion, because Phys Ads can't go astral.

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 12:18 am

That PHYSICAL MAGICIANS Moocow. A subset of PhysAds that can use other magical skills.

I just checked, and I AM correct.

Bully for me.

MooCow · Post by **MooCow** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 1:20 am

That PHYSICAL MAGICIANS Moocow.

Right.... My appologies. Not sure why I didn't see that.

Although, the book is wrong. It says they can learn any of the Metamagical techniques, but under Metamagical techniques it says they must meet the requirements. They can't learn possesion, because they can't astrally project.

Time to shoot the editors.

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 1:30 am

They can learn it, but they can only use it when astrally projecting.
Which can happen, given certain conditions.

Cain · Post by **Cain** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 5:45 am

Brineshrimp wrote:So, if I take masking, can I then take masking again?

No. You can alter your masking as much as you wish, so taking it again is superfluous. You can make your aura look mundane one day, cyberzombie the next, full-mage the day after.

Brineshrimp · Post by **Brineshrimp** » Mon Jan 06, 2003 9:10 pm

Cain wrote:
Brineshrimp wrote:So, if I take masking, can I then take masking again?
No. You can alter your masking as much as you wish, so taking it again is superfluous. You can make your aura look mundane one day, cyberzombie the next, full-mage the day after.

So is there any other powers worth taking? (More of a curious question than a concerned-about-my-character question.)

Big Jim · Post by **Big Jim** » Mon Jan 06, 2003 9:17 pm

So is there any other powers worth taking? (More of a curious question than a concerned-about-my-character question.)

Centering. I don't have my books in front of me at the moment, but from what I remember centering for adepts involves all sorts of fun. I'll add more when I have the chance to look this up.

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Mon Jan 06, 2003 9:32 pm

Essentially, as an adept you can take centering for a bunch of different skills because you don't experience drain. Each different skill of set of skills (like B/R Skills, Stealth, etc) requires taking the metamagic another time, i.e. initiating again.

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