[D&D3E/NWN] Clerics. They good?

ak404 · Post by **ak404** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 9:12 pm

Lately, I've been thinking of a battle cleric with a couple of levels of paladin, perhaps Champion of Torm to mix things up. However, I've never played a cleric before, and slow BAB progression makes me uneasy. In your experiences, have clerics proven to be competent combatants?

Eliahad · Post by **Eliahad** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 9:18 pm

Careful, you might stir up an old debate...

My take is, yes, they can be. If they have the option of planning for an encounter, they can go into it with some pretty nifty enchantments. They will never be as fighting ready as a straight up knock them dead fighter or a blessed Paladin, but they can hold their own if they need to.

Cash · Post by **Cash** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:27 pm

Straight clerics can be some of the nastiest characters in the game. Ability to wear heavy armor, d8 hp, ok BAB progression, and ability to cast spells (esp buffing spells).

ak404 · Post by **ak404** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:41 pm

I kind of figured as much. I was planning on a paladin 2/cleric ??/champion of torm build for NWN, and just wanted to get some feedback.

But as I said, I've only heard things about the cleric. I've never actually experienced one.

TheScamp · Post by **TheScamp** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:58 pm

Too much preparation time. Wading in is much better.

ak404 · Post by **ak404** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 12:26 am

Yeah, I was thinking about that too, and personally, I like excessive amounts of violence better.

However, would taking a level in cleric (for access to clerical scrolls) be a good idea?

LynGrey · Post by **LynGrey** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:48 pm

Just go Straight Cleric.. and just rightous might/bull's strength yourself all day along and kill everythign. You may not be the lean mean cutting machine like a fighter.. but hell you will have those heal spells to make you last.. its also nice to get abotu 4 levels of fighter under your belt! heh.. 4th attack and spec is always nice!

Anguirel · Post by **Anguirel** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:53 am

LynGrey wrote:Just go Straight Cleric.. and just rightous might/bull's strength yourself all day along and kill everythign. You may not be the lean mean cutting machine like a fighter.. but hell you will have those heal spells to make you last.. its also nice to get abotu 4 levels of fighter under your belt! heh.. 4th attack and spec is always nice!

Screw four levels of fighter. Four (or more) levels of Hospitaler: keep gaining spell levels at a full progression, gain fighter bonus feats every other level starting at third, gain Lay-On-Hands, gain Cure Disease/week, gain fighter BAB-progression -- lose two levels of turning, and you need to have two Riding feats. I'd call it a fair trade.

ak404 · Post by **ak404** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:17 am

This is for NWN, Ang. My bad.

Anguirel · Post by **Anguirel** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 11:50 am

ak404 wrote:This is for NWN, Ang. My bad.

I know. I'm just saying, is all...

LynGrey · Post by **LynGrey** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:10 pm

Hospitler is soooo broken!!!

Dang WoTC for printing that one.

But its not legal in 3.5 technically.. none of those class books are legal anymore. They are gunna be replaced by Complete warrior, complete divine, complete arcane, and complete (insert rogue) books.

THey are awesome tho.

but yeah.

Ghotty · Post by **Ghotty** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:46 pm

Clerics? Competent combatants? Yes.

Divine Favor(+1 to AC, Attacks and Damage per 3 levels or something like that)
Righteous Might(increase in Size, +8 str, +4 con, +4 nat AC, Damage resistance 5/evil(good), and some other shit too)
Divine Power( +6 strength, fighter BAB, and 1 or 2 hitpoints per level)

Owl's Wisdom
Death Knell
Magical weapon and/or Magic vestment
Flamestrike
the "smite" spells(Chaos Hammer, Law something, Holy Smite, Unholy blight)
Healing yourself.
Summoning monsters
Greater Planar Ally(hll, all planar ally spells...)
Turning

Salvation122 · Post by **Salvation122** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:26 pm

LynGrey wrote:Hospitler is soooo broken!!!

Then your DM isn't running the Vow of Poverty correctly. When you're giving away three quarters of your shit, it's not broken at all.

Cash · Post by **Cash** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 9:15 pm

wut? Hospitler doesn't have a Vow of Poverty (it having come out before the Book of Exalted Deeds)

Lyn:: How is the Hospitler broken?

Salvation122 · Post by **Salvation122** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 9:51 pm

Cash wrote:wut? Hospitler doesn't have a Vow of Poverty (it having come out before the Book of Exalted Deeds)

Does too, it just doesn't include rules for it. Go look it up; I promise it's there.

Cash · Post by **Cash** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 10:11 pm

No God Squad book with me. I'll have to check it out when gaming tonight.

LynGrey · Post by **LynGrey** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 12:50 am

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Four (or more) levels of Hospitaler: keep gaining spell levels at a full progression, gain fighter bonus feats every other level starting at third, gain Lay-On-Hands, gain Cure Disease/week, gain fighter BAB-progression -- lose two levels of turning, and you need to have two Riding feats. I'd call it a fair trade.

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thats about it right there.
Yeah.. not only do you become a better cleric.. you become a better fighter... shez.. whats the lost there? The lost you get are very very minimal... and you don't givein 3/4th of your gear. You just maintain a code of conduct. Which envolves taking care of hospitaler facilities and the people you have been assigned to care for(ops thats my party) and you give all excess wealth to the hospitaler facility and continuing on your party you have been assigned to protect and ensure they defeat the evil causing the problems.

LynGrey · Post by **LynGrey** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 12:50 am

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Four (or more) levels of Hospitaler: keep gaining spell levels at a full progression, gain fighter bonus feats every other level starting at third, gain Lay-On-Hands, gain Cure Disease/week, gain fighter BAB-progression -- lose two levels of turning, and you need to have two Riding feats. I'd call it a fair trade.

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thats about it right there.
Yeah.. not only do you become a better cleric.. you become a better fighter... shez.. whats the lost there? The lost you get are very very minimal... and you don't givein 3/4th of your gear. You just maintain a code of conduct. Which envolves taking care of hospitaler facilities and the people you have been assigned to care for(ops thats my party) and you give all excess wealth to the hospitaler facility and continuing on your party you have been assigned to protect and ensure they defeat the evil causing the problems.

Bishop · Post by **Bishop** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 7:55 am

No offense, but I believe my grammar teacher just had a massive cardiac arrest.