Most SR players probably know that the vast majority of guns in SR are based on guns that exist now. What many of you might not know is that some of them ARE guns that exist now.
For instance, the FN 5-7C is simply a selective-fire rip-off of the FN Five-seveN pistol, but that one's way too easy; let us move on to things a bit more vague.
The Steyr TMP is a real gun, and I must add, a personal favorite of mine.
The Beretta 101T is a real pistol, and has been for some time (it's the "official" name for a certain model of Beretta, although I can't remember the exact one at this moment - I wanna say that it's one of the "Cougar" or "Cheeta" models).
While there isn't actually an AK-97, there is an "AEK-971". However, it is still in development (as of the last I've heard of it), so this may be a temporary designation; "E", for "experimental" (the U.S. uses "X"), is a fairly common designation for firearms in development, so it may end up being officially dubbed the AK-971 (or even the AK-97). On a minor side-note, I had originally renamed it the AK-107 for my SR games, and that, too, exists in RL.
I'm sure there were more, but I originally dug this stuff up sometime last year and I'm suffering a severe mental block right now.
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Walther WA2000 is based on a real-life sniper rifle as well.
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Yup, Barrett make a number of heavy sniper/anti-material rifles that are chambered for .50 caliber rounds. Linage. Can't say anything about their levels of accuracy though.BaronJ wrote:Isn't there a Barret sniper rifle nowadays as well? Not exactly the 141 that SR has, but something similarly sickeningly expensive with super-good accuracy?
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Cougars are the 8000 series, the Cheetahs are the 80 series. The Beretta Model 101 was a version of the Model 71 "Jaguar" .22 LR pistol with a 6" barrel and adjustable sights. Not much like the Shadowrun version. A Brazilian company called Taurus makes a copy of Beretta's Model 96 with target sights and other minor differences called the Model 101.CykoSpin wrote:The Beretta 101T is a real pistol, and has been for some time (it's the "official" name for a certain model of Beretta, although I can't remember the exact one at this moment - I wanna say that it's one of the "Cougar" or "Cheeta" models).
The odds of the AEK-971 being called the AK-97 are very, very slim. The AEK-971 is a product of the Kovrov Machanical Plant, under the supervision of Sergei Koksharov. Incidentally, it uses the same type of "balanced automatic" gas operation as the AK-107. The AK-107 is manufactured by the Kalashnikov bureau of the Izhevsk Machine Tool Plant, a company with a definite institutional bias. Thus, the AK-107/108 has a much better chance of being accepted as a military arm.While there isn't actually an AK-97, there is an "AEK-971". However, it is still in development (as of the last I've heard of it), so this may be a temporary designation; "E", for "experimental" (the U.S. uses "X"), is a fairly common designation for firearms in development, so it may end up being officially dubbed the AK-971 (or even the AK-97). On a minor side-note, I had originally renamed it the AK-107 for my SR games, and that, too, exists in RL.
Other than that, the Izhmash-manufactured AN-94, a much more advanced rifle design, has already been type classified and accepted for military service. At this time, the Russian government does not have the finances to purchase a new rifle for the bulk of the military forces, so all but SPETsNAZ are pretty much stuck with their AK-74Ms.
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I want that little one at the bottom... that would be a hell of a thing to use when the IRS shows up.FlakJacket wrote:Yup, Barrett make a number of heavy sniper/anti-material rifles that are chambered for .50 caliber rounds. Linage. Can't say anything about their levels of accuracy though.BaronJ wrote:Isn't there a Barret sniper rifle nowadays as well? Not exactly the 141 that SR has, but something similarly sickeningly expensive with super-good accuracy?
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Yeah, I thought as much. I hadn't really heard much about the AEK past its name and some design specs; it was just an out-on-a-limb thing I felt I'd toss out.Raygun wrote:The odds of the AEK-971 being called the AK-97 are very, very slim. The AEK-971 is a product of the Kovrov Machanical Plant, under the supervision of Sergei Koksharov.
Also, I'd like to point out that the basis for this thread is weapon designs in Shadowrun that actually exist today, not weapons in Shadowrun based upon existing weapons (if it were, I could have easilly covered an entire page with my first post).
Actually, the SR version is called the 'Walther MA-2100'; the Walther WA-2000 is the real-life sniper rifle, and a personal favorite of mine, I might add.ak404 wrote:Walther WA2000 is based on a real-life sniper rifle as well.
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Well speaking of Shadowrun guns in real life, slapping a Fire Selector System on a Glock - as witnessed in this video - gives you the equivalent of/better than the Thunderbolt or Savalette Guardian. It's things like these that really do bring out my munchy side. 
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I thought the Browning pistol in SR1 was called Max-Power (I know it is in SR2 and SR3). Just given the name, it and the Ultra-Power (ala SSC) would probably be revisions of the Hi-Power design. The Hi-Power was John Browning's last firearm design. It was introduced posthumously by Fabrique Nationale (the company Browning was working for at the time) in 1935. Five years before Germany jacked up Belgium.Nexusvoid wrote:The Browning Hi-Powers listed in several of the SR1 books are in existance today, and have been for awhile.
Too bad Browning discontinued them and stopped making parts.Finding well-made replacements is a pain in the balls.
FN still makes and sells several versions of the Hi-Power today, they just stopped selling them under the Browning name (which FN also owns). Coincidentally, Charles Daly recently announced that they'll be selling a low-cost copy of the Hi-Power in the near future. There's a small group of dedicated Hi-Power parts manufacturers out there (FN actually licensed Cylinder & Slide's SFS trigger), and their business is liable to pick up on account of Charles Daly.
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Weird. I could have /sworn/ that the Hi-Power was in one of the SR1 books. But, I just checked Shadowtech, and only the Max-Power and Ultra-Power are listed. Maybe it was a fiction novel.Raygun wrote:I thought the Browning pistol in SR1 was called Max-Power (I know it is in SR2 and SR3). Just given the name, it and the Ultra-Power (ala SSC) would probably be revisions of the Hi-Power design. The Hi-Power was John Browning's last firearm design. It was introduced posthumously by Fabrique Nationale (the company Browning was working for at the time) in 1935. Five years before Germany jacked up Belgium.
I knew someone else owned Browning, and by default, the manufacturing rights for the Hi-Power. I just didn't know they were still making them. You just made my day, Raygun.FN still makes and sells several versions of the Hi-Power today, they just stopped selling them under the Browning name (which FN also owns). Coincidentally, Charles Daly recently announced that they'll be selling a low-cost copy of the Hi-Power in the near future. There's a small group of dedicated Hi-Power parts manufacturers out there (FN actually licensed Cylinder & Slide's SFS trigger), and their business is liable to pick up on account of Charles Daly.
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I don't know about that; the Thunderbolt and Guardian fire what would be the equivalent of (at least) a 10mm Auto cartridge, which is far more powerful than the Glock 18's 9x19mm chambering. However, I do see where you were going with that.FlakJacket wrote:Well speaking of Shadowrun guns in real life, slapping a Fire Selector System on a Glock - as witnessed in this video - gives you the equivalent of/better than the Thunderbolt or Savalette Guardian. It's things like these that really do bring out my munchy side.
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