Phoenix Jones, Superhero

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:02 pm

Link.

Long story short: "regular" guy dresses up in a homemade costume and patrols the streets of Seattle, changing tires, breaking up bar fights, running after stolen cars, etc. It is always a little surreal to thinking of this happening outside of a comic book, but it's not without precedent - social luchadors in Mexico have been very prominent at times - but still kind of amazing.

Jeff Hauze · Post by **Jeff Hauze** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:29 am

And really, really naive. It's the judge, jury, and executioner approach to dealing with really complex social problems.

Bonefish · Post by **Bonefish** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:15 pm

Yeah, citizens taking an active role in their community and trying to fix things is pretty fucking stupid. We should, you know, let the gubmint do that.

Jeff Hauze · Post by **Jeff Hauze** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:46 pm

Bonefish wrote:Yeah, citizens taking an active role in their community and trying to fix things is pretty fucking stupid. We should, you know, let the gubmint do that.

Sure, if that's what said hero was doing. Instead, he's cruising for fights, stopping for photos with fans (while ignoring the potential rape occurring nearby), and trying to sell a lifestyle that will likely end up leaving his kids fatherless. I'd actually wager he could do a lot more good being at home.

There's nothing wrong with citizens taking an active role in their community, as much as you might wish to imply that I've said otherwise. Or that I even mentioned the government. But sure, we can play this game if you really want. I don't. So I'm just going to ignore you being really, really silly and move on.

We have laws and a system of justice for a reason. We've agreed to them, by nature of remaining here in this society. If you don't like them, or how they are set up, work to change them. You don't decide unilaterally, that you as a single citizen, have the right to set precedent and enforce attitudes for the whole of the community. When you're yelling at random people on the street "What did you just drop?", you've decided that your singular citizen values apply universally to the whole. Without ever consulting a representation of the whole. That's wrong, whether you be a real-life superhero, politician, political pundit, or drug dealer on the corner.

All that being said, I'll give the concept a lot of credit for the theory, but not the implementation. Chasing stolen cars? Sure, good idea. That's a community service. Escalating potential violence with a much larger group of armed drug dealers, when the potential firefight could hurt a whole fuckload of innocent bystanders in the surrounding neighborhood? All just to say "We claimed this corner." That's not heroism, that's being in GTA: San Andreas. I think he has an admirable concept, but it needs a whole lot of refinement. He needs to use the tools available to him, rather than trying to accomplish it on his own.

He mentioned having a cellphone and a largish number of fellow capes. So go talk to the local clubs. Get them to allow pairs of capes to patrol a block or two as extra security to keep bar fights down. Get in those clubs and pass out flyers for escorts to cabs or home, with attached cell phone numbers. That's something a lot of college campuses do already to keep incidents of violence and sexual assault down. Heck, even better, get a bus or van, decorate as a superhero mobile, and use it as a DD cab. Ride in style, generate community response, and perform a service. He looks down on the other heroes who seem genuinely interested in working alongside the community, while elevating himself as a higher authority than his own community. The very example AH gave earlier (of the social luchadors) is a great example to look towards. The Luchador tradition is hugely fascinating and worth studying, and one of the things that really attracted me to wrestling back in the late 90's.

What's particularly baffling is his geographical placement. The Pacific Northwest (Seattle and Portland specifically) is exactly the kind of place to look for community grown solutions done with an unusual style. It is something already happening with the largely younger populations found in those areas. But taking it into his own hands, and effectively locking the community out of the process? I'm surprised he has such a positive response in those locales, particularly when violence seems to be his first response to any situation. As much as I hate Spider-Man, he needs to start thinking a whole lot more like him (or Daredevil) than Batman. Fear begets a whole lot more fear. The Taco Incident won't be the last such incident with the sort of vigilante mindset he is using for operations. This fellow really needs an Oracle desperately.

Bonefish · Post by **Bonefish** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:57 pm

Ok, see, that makes a lot more sense than your first post, and doesn't seen as trollish. And I'd agree with what you're saying.

I kinda think these superheroes are fucking idiots, when they should be organizing community watch patrols, rather than just walking around looking tough.

AtemHutlrt · Post by **AtemHutlrt** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 9:43 pm

This has become a bit of an epidemic lately. There are "superheroes" in a lot of major cities, and a huge number of them nationwide. Most of them don't actually do anything, or, at least anything useful or significant, but it's become kind of "a thing", a trend which should surprise no one. This guy, vaguely from my area, epitomizes the form: fat loser wears retarded costume, stalks around at night thinking he's, like, cool, or something, and ends up breaking many laws, and not actually accomplishing anything. If a guy wants to dress like an idiot, whatever; I think most people dress like idiots. If he wants to go around putting money in expired meters, and helping people change flat tires, that's cool; I appreciate that sort of thing, actually. I'm not keen on vigilantism, though, and I'm not keen on some loser wandering around, breaking laws and pretending to be Spiderman, or something.

3278 · Post by **3278** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:01 pm

What fools. If you want to help, help, but don't be a vigilante. You can change tires all you want, help old ladies across the street, join Big Brothers Big Sisters. Or, if you want to stop crime, you can join the police. Vigilantism doesn't help, it hurts. The fact that his young children idolize his foolishness makes is all the more tragic. Dick.

Jeff Hauze · Post by **Jeff Hauze** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:06 am

See, stopping crime I could even understand to an extent, if you go about the right way. If you decide to volunteer as extra security for a venue or bar, or set up an escort hotline...I can totally understand if something happens and you help out there. Even the whole "chasing stolen cars" I get. Not the smartest thing to do, but I can see it.

I keep thinking back to the showdown with the dealers, and just going "Why didn't you think like Batman here?" Don't even bother getting involved, just use your tech at your disposal. Cellphone video, a discreet webcam, and drop the info to the cops. Maybe they can use it, maybe they can't.

3278 · Post by **3278** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:29 am

Jeff Hauze wrote:See, stopping crime I could even understand to an extent, if you go about the right way.

Absolutely. There's tons of stuff private citizens can do to stop crime, now that you mention it. Neighborhood Watch, for one. But wearing a costume and running around fighting crime? You're not doing that to help people, you're doing that for personal aggrandizement.

Hell, Bruce Wayne could do a thousand times more to fight crime than Batman. He's the ultimate self-absorbed narcissist, out for his own goals and no one else's. I don't have a problem with that, exactly - it describes me pretty well, for one thing - but it doesn't make you a superhero.

3278 · Post by **3278** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:45 am

GQ wrote:The site has become Peter's calling in life—his attempt to be, like the men he celebrates, exceptional.

Yeah, see, that's exactly it. It's like this guy I knew in high school, who told everyone he was a vampire, because in reality he was intelligent and charismatic but otherwise had led an utterly boring, ordinary life. [I won't even get into the things I've tried to convince people of, before my spirit was crushed and I have up on trying to make anyone believe I was anything other than utterly ordinary.] He's in the prison now, until he dies, because narcissism isn't just a bad way to live, it's a terrific way to become so delusional that you're exceptionally dangerous.

I don't mean to sound so harsh - did my writing style get a gravity upgrade? - but I definitely think guys like this are dumb shits. I get the impulse to help, and I get the impulse to do end-runs around the system, but actually doing those things crosses a line between selfless and selfish.

Bonefish · Post by **Bonefish** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:21 am

Like I said, I wonder if people like this could do better walking on their street with guns holstered.

I ain't gonna lie: Everytime my power goes out for an unforseen reason, i stand on my street with my rifle slung. I also randomly stand out on my steet with my rifle slung for no other reason than because. I like to think that people occasionally walk down this street, see a white guy with an AK slung over his shoulder, and think to themselves: "maybe we don't wanna act stupid, here". I hope so, atleast.

Gawd, I hope so. I don't wanna wake up to automatic weapons fire any time soon, again.

So I can understand the idea these guys are doing, sorta. I wish i could get my neighboirhood more involved with out shit. I found some keys today that belong to somebody. Some poor girl got robbed(maybe raped, who knows) in front of my house. Like right in front of my house. There were an empty purse or two and some house keys. Something bad happened, right outside my window. Like, literally, if I wasn't watching porn, outside my window, some bad shit went down, and no one knows anything. I asked all my neighbors, who I'm pretty cool with. No one knows nuffin.

That bothers me.

Bonefish · Post by **Bonefish** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:18 am

The reason I say this? In front of my house, like, literally, in front of my house, there was a purse or two and some keys on a caribiner. I don't know what happened, but some girl was harassed, outside my house. Literally, outside my house. Like on the curb of the street that i live on. Somebody was robbed or something, or just decided to leave her purse(and another purse, and a set of keys) for shits and giggles.

I've already done it before, walking around with my AK. I think I will start doing it more often. Neighborhood watch, indeed. If I have to stand on the corner with my ak, I will. I don't wan my neighborhood becoming some sort of cesspool.

3278 · Post by **3278** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 1:35 pm

Bonefish wrote:I ain't gonna lie: Everytime my power goes out for an unforseen reason, i stand on my street with my rifle slung. I also randomly stand out on my steet with my rifle slung for no other reason than because.

You're not serious, are you?

Jeff Hauze · Post by **Jeff Hauze** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:01 pm

I take back everything I ever said about Phoenix Jones.

Bonefish · Post by **Bonefish** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:59 pm

3278 wrote:
Bonefish wrote:I ain't gonna lie: Everytime my power goes out for an unforseen reason, i stand on my street with my rifle slung. I also randomly stand out on my steet with my rifle slung for no other reason than because.
You're not serious, are you?

Fuck yeah I'm serious.

Bonefish · Post by **Bonefish** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:22 pm

Understand, I'm not saying that I think private citizens should be acting as judge jury and executioner or anything. I'm saying that they should act as a community watch, reporting crimes they see to the authorities. But the mere presence of people can deter crimes: back when the neighborhood across the street from me was being built, people in pick up trucks would drive in late at night and steal construction supplies. After me and my friends took to sitting outside having beers and smoking weed, we still saw those trucks, but they would come in, turn around and leave.

Raygun · Post by **Raygun** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:45 am

Bone, don't be hanging outside of your house with a fucking AK slung over your shoulder. That's a really, really bad idea. You're going to end up with a bunch of police ready to shoot your ass and your rifle taken away from you. Watch all you want, but leave the rifle inside.

3278 · Post by **3278** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:49 am

Bonefish wrote:
3278 wrote:
Bonefish wrote:I ain't gonna lie: Everytime my power goes out for an unforseen reason, i stand on my street with my rifle slung. I also randomly stand out on my steet with my rifle slung for no other reason than because.
You're not serious, are you?
Fuck yeah I'm serious.

Look, I'm not the paragon of rationality, and there are a lot of other people here who have a lot more experience with firearms than I do, but this sounds like exactly the kind of juvenile, ego-driven, narcissistic, "look at me" testicle-inspired bullshit that I was warning against. It also seems like it'd be pretty fucking dangerous.

It is nice, though, to look back on all the juvenile, ego-driven, narcissistic, "look at me" testicle-inspired bullshit that I did when I first started obtaining weapons, and realize I've somehow, whatever, grown as a person or some shit. That's good for me, but isn't a whole lot of help for you.

Bonefish · Post by **Bonefish** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:46 am

You're right. Dumb idea.

Raygun · Post by **Raygun** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:30 pm

What happened?

Bonefish · Post by **Bonefish** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:44 pm

Nothing. I'm just agreeing with ya'll.

Raygun · Post by **Raygun** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:50 pm

Mmm hmm...

Bonefish · Post by **Bonefish** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:22 pm

What, i can't OCCASIONALLY listen to people?

Bonefish · Post by **Bonefish** » Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:43 am

Seriously though, it's not like I didn't ask the opinion of local police or anything. I pretty much cornered them in any store or resterraunt they were working in and grilled them over the law regardining open carry. I also know how to behave to police when they point their guns at you. I don't know if you have ever encountered that. I hope not. But if they do? Listen to the guy with the blue suit and gun. Really. Seriously, he's not fucking around.

Raygun · Post by **Raygun** » Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:11 am

Sure, but I have a feeling you didn't say "I plan on walking around my neighborhood with an AK. What do you think?" It's one thing for it to be legal. It's another thing to be walking city streets with an AK slung over your shoulder expecting the po-pos to be cool with that.

How much time have you spent familiarizing yourself with this rifle? I don't mean taking it apart and cleaning it, I mean using it. What if you found yourself in a situation where you needed to use it? Do you understand that housing structures tend to offer very little actual protection against this kind of weapon? What happens if you miss? What happen if you shoot someone?

Prosecution: "He shot my client with an ASSAULT RIFLE in the middle of the street."
Defense: "Yeah, but it was totally self defense. He wasn't looking for trouble at all."

Listen, your heart was in the right place. I get that. You want to provide security for your community. But... Discretion, man. It's worth more than you think. Work with the police and local civic leaders. Organize a community watch. Start a security DBA, get some defense and medical training. If you feel the need, get a CCW permit and patrol with a cell phone, a flashlight, and a taser or small handgun in your pocket. Just don't walk around with an AK. The AK is for when shit really hits the fan.

And lay off the weed. Weed + guns = NO.

Bonefish · Post by **Bonefish** » Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:54 pm

Ya, I don't smoke nearly as much weed as you people think i do!

Edit: and yeah, you are right. I don't want it to sound like I'm trying to disagree with you, because I aint.

3278 · Post by **3278** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:43 am

A friend of mine in high school spent a lot of his youth getting his ass kicked like the geek he was, and so once he was able he started taking training in a pretty rough style of martial arts. Just about the first thing he learned to do was never tell anyone, because as soon as people found out, tough dudes were lining up around the block to prove themselves against him. That's what worries me about open carry, is that someone will take it as a dare, as a challenge.

In my case, I also know it's because I'm doing it to carry a sign that says, "I'm carrying a gun! I'm way deadly!" because with a very few exceptions, my life hasn't been overwhelmed with moments in which someone thought I was particularly deadly, and it's nice to feel that sometimes. So I used to wear dive knives on the outside of my clothes, and let people see I was concealing a baton. I could have gone to jail for, like, 10 years, but more importantly, I could have gotten my ass shot by someone who thought, "I'm tougher than you, bitch."

What's cool about you is that you can take advice and weigh it on its merits, seemingly without letting your pride get in the way of whichever decision you make. That's a rare gift, and one I ascribe to on my better days.

Bonefish · Post by **Bonefish** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:59 am

Er... Thanks? I still do enough dumb shit that I'm surprised I've managed to survive this long. By the way, yesterday was my birthday, fuckers.

Jeff Hauze · Post by **Jeff Hauze** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:06 am

Bonefish wrote:Er... Thanks? I still do enough dumb shit that I'm surprised I've managed to survive this long. By the way, yesterday was my birthday, fuckers.

And? What do you want for it? A medal?

Bonefish · Post by **Bonefish** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:39 am

Jeff Hauze wrote:
Bonefish wrote:Er... Thanks? I still do enough dumb shit that I'm surprised I've managed to survive this long. By the way, yesterday was my birthday, fuckers.
And? What do you want for it? A medal?

Well, i really wanted a kiss from you, but... thems the breaks.

Jeff Hauze · Post by **Jeff Hauze** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:01 am

Bonefish wrote:Well, i really wanted a kiss from you, but... thems the breaks.

Listen, we covered this. I'm poor now, so it's now a paid kissing booth.

Bonefish · Post by **Bonefish** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:07 am

How much?

Jeff Hauze · Post by **Jeff Hauze** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:13 am

Bonefish wrote:How much?

More than you can afford.

Bonefish · Post by **Bonefish** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:19 am

Not if I knock over a bank.

Jeff Hauze · Post by **Jeff Hauze** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:28 am

Bonefish wrote:Not if I knock over a bank.

Still not enough.

Bonefish · Post by **Bonefish** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:36 am

No wonder you're poor, then. You better get money when you can get it! Stop bein' so frigid!

Jeff Hauze · Post by **Jeff Hauze** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:58 am

Bonefish wrote:No wonder you're poor, then. You better get money when you can get it! Stop bein' so frigid!

Only to you, sir.

Bonefish · Post by **Bonefish** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:06 am

Fuckin' standards.

Crazy Elf · Post by **Crazy Elf** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:19 am

How many of the threads on Bulldrek have boiled down to people trying to stop Bone from inadvertently killing himself?

Jeff Hauze · Post by **Jeff Hauze** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:15 am

Crazy Elf wrote:How many of the threads on Bulldrek have boiled down to people trying to stop Bone from inadvertently killing himself?

There was that one about puppies.

Bonefish · Post by **Bonefish** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:54 am

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl
Go four houses up from the one with the green circle("pool"), towards freedom. The fourth house? It got shot up about 3 years ago by an AK. I remember, I woke up at six or so i nthe morning to automatic fire. In case you're wondering, I also found shell casings, "7.62x39" to be exact. Know what? I'm still wearing the shorts that came out of that house. Seriously, dickies? I can USE that!

Well, what does that have to do with anything? To my south, you can see a big ole park with football, softball, tennis and basketball. And people go through it at night, and they go out there and shoot their guns.

Like, tonight. Tonight I was standing in my front yard with my keys, a stick, a staff, a beer and a cigerette. I was practicing some swordswinging type stuff, and then, BOOOMBOOOMBOOM something went off, down at the park. The light was near the park, the sound was near, and it was deafening.

I spent half an hour hiding between the cars. This isn't exactly new. Normally I'm inside the house when shooting happens, so I get down as low as I can and wait. Still no police, to six or seven rounds fired, in quick succession, and they sounded more powerful than a pistol.

Seriously, what the fuck? Seriously. A guy can have an ak slung on his side, and stand on the corner for three or four hours. People shoot all sorts of guns. And where are the police? What the fuck is really going on? I can't even call it anymore.

Seriously, is it normal to hear gunshots? We're in a city, what the fuck are the shooting at?

Oh, fun fact. If you go south from my house, turn onto browns(going through the park), to tuckaseegee and the food lion there? There's a "mexican" bar where someone got robbed, shot and bled to death. Fun place I live in.

And no, dear god, this ain't for braggin rights. Look, there's not really anything cool about living here. Sure, i can leave my car unlocked, but let's face it, I got a tape deck and a bunch of 90s tapes. It's not like my car looks rich. ok, i can buy cheap weed, but that aint a plus. I can always find cheap weed.

But i could really do without the random gunfire.

Bonefish · Post by **Bonefish** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:23 am

I think the link fails. Google "1819 Thriftwood Drive, Charlotte, 28208" and look around.

3278 · Post by **3278** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:20 pm

Bonefish wrote:Well, what does that have to do with anything? To my south, you can see a big ole park with football, softball, tennis and basketball. And people go through it at night, and they go out there and shoot their guns.

What, right around the corner from the giant parking lot covered with garbage in the middle of the woods? City boys don't like to drive around gates, I guess.

Seriously, this is so not the level of urban density I was expecting. You're talking about this, but I'm used to hearing gunshots from neighborhoods like this. It's strange to have a level of violence so high in such a relatively suburban area. But Charlotte seems like a fairly odd city, in terms of its layout, organization, and density.

Bonefish wrote:Tonight I was standing in my front yard with my keys, a stick, a staff, a beer and a cigerette. I was practicing some swordswinging type stuff, and then, BOOOMBOOOMBOOM something went off, down at the park. The light was near the park, the sound was near, and it was deafening.

Last time you found casings, but did you find any thing time? There other other sources of loud explosions beyond firearms. I'm told.

Bonefish wrote:Still no police, to six or seven rounds fired, in quick succession, and they sounded more powerful than a pistol.

That definitely seems like something they'd want to respond to, although once they got there, it would probably be too late to do much about it. How long after you called them did they finally show up?

Bonefish wrote:Seriously, is it normal to hear gunshots? We're in a city, what the fuck are the shooting at?

We used to hear gunshots in GR every week or so, but the funny thing is, the crime reports seldom showed murders or assaults: these guys are missing, mostly, although I'm sure there's also a lot that goes unreported. But one night I heard full-clip SMG fire, and not a peep in the neighborhood crime stats: a full clip, and apparently nobody died. It's almost like it's mostly show, without much real intention.

Bonefish wrote:And no, dear god, this ain't for braggin rights. Look, there's not really anything cool about living here.

Well, I would definitely move. I know you've got a good deal on living arrangements, and not a lot of spare cash, but I would definitely get out of any neighborhood that's inherently hazardous to my health.

UncleJoseph · Post by **UncleJoseph** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:32 pm

Also, while I believe that nearly everyone who has lived in an urban center has heard gunfire on occasion, the police respond to "Shots Fired" calls ALL THE TIME, and find nothing. Many, many, many times the noise is not gunfire....sometimes it might be. But nearly all murders, gunshot wounds and missing persons get reported. The number of reports of murders, gunshot wounds and missing persons are not even close (not by a long shot) to the numbers of reported "shots fired."

I have been able to attribute reports of gunfire to:

Gunfire (yes, sometimes there are really shots being fired).
Car accidents
Fireworks (this is the overwhelming reason for "shots fired" reports).
Industrial noises
Electrical utility problems at the pole.
Train yard noises
Construction noises (even at night when no construction is /supposedly/ going on).

I hear what I think is gunfire in my neighborhood all the time...like at least several times per week. Sometimes the police check on it, sometimes they don't...most of it goes unreported.I don't call it in because I generally don't give a crap if I don't hear any follow-up screams or if bullets aren't striking my property.

I am also surprised, as 32 is, about the density of your neighborhood...I was expecting something much more urban, rather than suburban. I checked out the street view...you live in a nicer neighborhood than I do from an appearances standpoint.

Bonefish · Post by **Bonefish** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:58 pm

Don't let appearances deceive ya. It's "nice"... ish. Charlotte, in general, is more of a "sprawl" city, than a densely populated one, though there are sections where that trend is different. I mean, our downtown area(it's called "uptown" these days...) isn't really that big or impressive, but there are a LOT of people living here(we're like, the 17th largest city by population in America... Or so I'm told).

Didn't find any shell casings this time: didn't go check. When I say it was shooting, I mean that it really was shooting. I saw muzzle flashes, well, indirectly. But, either it was some REALLY loud and impressive fire works, or it was gunplay.

I understand that the police arn't always going to find something when shots are fired, and a lot of times it's someone wanting to shoot their gun for kicks, rather than something "serious" . And it definitely doesn't make it alright for me to carry my AK on the street.

But shit, this shit gets to you after a while man. And the bad thing? I'm probably going to be moving out to live in a WORSE part of the city.

Bonefish · Post by **Bonefish** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 6:40 pm

went and talked to my homie up the street, and on the way stumbled across two .40S&W casings. Apparently there was some shooting at 10pm. Went and looked for casings in the park, couldn't find anything.

Raygun · Post by **Raygun** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:13 pm

I bet it was these guys.

Bonefish · Post by **Bonefish** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:54 pm

want to see so bad.

3278 · Post by **3278** » Sun Sep 04, 2011 12:29 am

Bonefish wrote:I saw muzzle flashes, well, indirectly.

Well, the "indirectly" would bother me, but it couldn't possibly matter less: the fact is, guns are shot there, and they shouldn't be.

But we passed something by I wanted to make a point about. The police didn't come, no, but they can't magically do so, because they don't have Superman ears. Someone has to let them know that something's going on. Did you do that? You want to make a difference in your neighborhood, but you don't want to stand around with a firearm, here's a good way: call the cops when something goes down. Better yet, start a neighborhood watch, so everyone calls the cops when something goes down. That shit works.

You know what I think is fun? Shooting people. I'd much rather shoot people than call police. But calling the police is a more effective way of reducing crime, so if I'm out shooting people, I've got to think I'm not doing it because it's effective, but because I think shooting people is fun.

Bonefish wrote:But shit, this shit gets to you after a while man. And the bad thing? I'm probably going to be moving out to live in a WORSE part of the city.

I'm not an expert in these affairs, but that seems to me like a pretty bad idea. Have you considered not doing that, and instead doing something else?

Bonefish · Post by **Bonefish** » Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:47 am

Of course I thought about it, but well, there's problems involving money