Wait, what? This person seriously, like, makes something for a living which he tries to sell? Like RPGs? Well, with this kind of word-of-mouth advertising, I expect to see his sales figures skyrocket.Serious Paul wrote:I'll be sure to spread my impressed-ness to anyone who mentions your name, or who may be thinking about buying something with your name on it.
Apparently whatever it is he writes, it's just for friends, and he's not interested in attracting new readers, or customers. Must be his friends and current customers are generous to a fault.3278 wrote:Wait, what? This person seriously, like, makes something for a living which he tries to sell? Like RPGs? Well, with this kind of word-of-mouth advertising, I expect to see his sales figures skyrocket.
Good luck with PR if this is how you act in public.
Is the adaptation of your "real-life" basic social skills to the nature of the internet really that hard? Seriously, if you don't want strangers commenting in your journal, screen comments or make your posts friends-only. The reason LiveJournal includes these options is specifically for your desire for an insular conversation. Otherwise, LiveJournal is, by definition, a social networking site, fully intended to encourage socialization between disparate groups of people.GMSkarka wrote:Is the porting--over of real-world basic social skills to an internet environment really that hard?
First off, welcome to Bulldrek. If we have Anaka and Pistons (Elissa) posting here, then we can't all be that bad. Well, most of us...GMSkarka wrote:Folks -- I registered specificaly to address this point (ironic, though, that I have to register to post a comment in your discussion....).
I'm sorry, but it does. You posted on a public journal without friends locking it or screening the comments. Without either option, you don't have an expectation of privacy. To go back to the bar analogy, there is no real way of saying, "I couldn't help overhearing what you guys were talking about..." If you wanted to keep someone from butting into the conversation, then you could have gone to a private room, a booth away from other people, or gone home and talked in your living room.What those of you who came over to post your contrary views were doing is the equivalent of walking up to a group of friends gathered in a public place (say, a bar, for example) and butting into the conversation.
Yes, it's public. That doesn't however, give you the right.
Nope, they don't and they weren't, but again, if you were truly concerned about keeping non-friends list people from commenting/reading (hearing the convo in your bar analogy), then you should have f-locked so only your friends could discuss it. If you didn't want to do that so non-friends could see and read, then disable commenting. Otherwise that's the risk you take: other people questioning, asking, or having dissenting viewpoints.You don't know the people who are talking, nor were you invited to participate.
What was so horrible about Serious Paul's posts (honestly curious)?Is the porting--over of real-world basic social skills to an internet environment really that hard?
Back to the bar. If I wanted to ask a question about whatever you and your friends were talking about, then I would have to spend the inordinate amount of time getting to know everyone before I could talk to people in the group? It doesn't work like that in the real world and it doesn't work like that on a public blog.Want to participate? Fine -- introduce yourself, get to know the people talking....just like you would (hopefully) in the real world.
But yeah, I'll fully admit that seeing themoocow listed as a "friend" on your LJ user info doesn't really reflect that well on you, in my opinion, and probably led me to view your posts in the worst light possible.
I'm curious now...do you have a handy link for that? While I'd love to trawl through years of a person's lj entries, I hear a cancer stick outside with my name on it.After having him and his friends calling me "faggot" and the like back during the "Pimp" fiasco, I'm not really likely to view association with him as a positive thing.
Even the Christians never went willingly into the lions' den.Ampere wrote:I'm interested and suprised he (GM Skarka)has come here. In a lot of ways, I'm impressed. This can be a very hard and unforgiving crowd, Paul and 32 being probably on top of that pile. Not necissarily a bad thing, just makes it interesting. Kind of like diving in to a shark-tank or something.
Oh...my...fucking...god.Cash wrote:No...please tell me he's not Evan Moore... anything but that.
Wow, I didn't think my response warranted THAT.GMSkarka wrote:Never mind. I tried to explain where I was coming from. Even admitted to reacting primarily due to the Moo connection. Suggesting that you introduce yourself before participating is, apparently, beyond the pale. I see where it gets me.
Enjoy your OMGBOYCOTT!!!111!!!. I've been hearing noise like that for the 14 years that I've been working professionally in the RPG business, and somehow, folks like you have never been able to prevent me from making a pretty good living doing it.
It gets you explaining where we are coming from. Great! Welcome to the painfully honest discussion that is Bulldrek. Ask us sometime about the sock thread.GMSkarka wrote:Never mind. I tried to explain where I was coming from. Even admitted to reacting primarily due to the Moo connection. Suggesting that you introduce yourself before participating is, apparently, beyond the pale. I see where it gets me.
Cool...you found a job that you love doing and can make money at it. I haven't checked out your website yet (ok, I forgot), but it seems like you're lumping all of us in one pot yet again. We're all different people here with vastly different ideals, opinions, and experiences. Yes, 4-5 of us are posting at the moment, but we are here. Just check out some of the other threads.Enjoy your OMGBOYCOTT!!!111!!!. I've been hearing noise like that for the 14 years that I've been working professionally in the RPG business, and somehow, folks like you have never been able to prevent me from making a pretty good living doing it.
I'm sorry, did you introduce yourself? Did I miss that post? Oh wait, that's right you came to preach not communicate.GMSkarka wrote:Suggesting that you introduce yourself before participating is, apparently, beyond the pale.
Well preaching might go over well in church, but around these parts that dog don't hunt.I see where it gets me.
I'm glad you're being reasonable, and responding like an adult.Enjoy your OMGBOYCOTT!!!111!!!.
Gee, I wonder why? Is it your total lack of people skills? Or perhaps it's your adult like mannerisms?I've been hearing noise like that for the 14 years that I've been working professionally in the RPG business...
You're right. That was my goal from the beginning. To deny you the creature comforts you've become accustomed to. It was a direct attack upon you and your family, not a statement of how I'd spend my hard earned dollars, and why....and somehow, folks like you have never been able to prevent me from making a pretty good living doing it.
Oh, he already did that. He blames - get this - the entire forum. Like, two people commented in his LJ, and now we're all one homogeneous lump.Serious Paul wrote:He came to preach Cash. He'll make an LJ post in the next few days talking about what a bunch of assholes we are, and his close group of back patting sycophants will tell him he's so right, and has been so wronged.
Meh, that was on the 5th. Old news. He was at least starting to talk and discuss here. That seems to have died abruptly.3278 wrote:Oh, he already did that. He blames - get this - the entire forum. Like, two people commented in his LJ, and now we're all one homogeneous lump.Serious Paul wrote:He came to preach Cash. He'll make an LJ post in the next few days talking about what a bunch of assholes we are, and his close group of back patting sycophants will tell him he's so right, and has been so wronged.
That was him building up to this, posting here. He had to get some confidence. Anyone stupid enough to think Moo presses me into making posts for him is stupid enough to come here thinking he's a cowboy at a square dance.Ampere wrote:Meh, that was on the 5th. Old news. He was at least starting to talk and discuss here. That seems to have died abruptly.
That last bit's what cracks me up every time. Like everyone else, discrimination is okay, so long as it's /you/ doing it to people you don't like, and not someone else doing it to /you./3278 wrote:Why don't you simply friendslock your posts, if you don't want people to comment in them? [Or "piss all over," depending on your idiom.] "Public" has a connotation of, I don't know, publicity. Perhaps "private" is what you seek?
Please, please, don't judge us all by MooCow's standard. Most of us hate him. The last time I saw him in person, I spent several hours speaking at his expense while he was socially trapped into not leaving. [And I'm generally a fairly nice person. Offline, anyway.] Again, I emphasize: not only are we /not/ MooCow, but we don't /like/ him particularly much. Many of us, anyway: we're not a homogeneous lump.
And, of course, please don't feel <a href="http://bulldrek.freespeeech-alpha.com">the forum</a> is the "culprit." That's irrational. MooCow doesn't even, you know, post there. But I do encourage you to enumerate your position there - any of you - particularly since you haven't done a <a href="http://bulldrek.freespeech-alpha.com/vi ... rticularly good job thus far</a>. You can "whack-a-troll" with us, if that's your desire, or you can just speak rationally, as rational people. [Minus Paul, who I suspect is beyond rationality by this point; it would be in error to judge us all by his standard - or mine, or anyone else's.] New users have to be approved, but /anyone/ save blatant spammers is approved, so that shouldn't be egregious.
Better not to discriminate against people based on their group membership, but to judge each according to their merits. That /is/ something you support, isn't it?
Oh I dunno, you were pretty bent out of shape the other day at one of the other folks around here. You were just in a foul mood that day.Serious Paul wrote:Boosting his confidence might help. I doubt it though.
And while my tone is condescending it isn't angry. I think this guy is a coward, and worse a coward who hides behind the electronic curtain-but that's no where near enough to piss me off.
No, I'm flippant when not irritated, but when I see something I think is stupid. [When I'm irritated, I'm a complete prick.] Not like it's a huge difference, but I thought I'd clarify.Ampere wrote:I dunno. Paul is pretty vehement once he's been set off (like now), and 3278 always seems (at least in my eyes) to come across flippantly when irritated (like I assume now).
I'm not going to disagree; if someone actually agrees with what he's saying, we're going to look like aggressive pricks. If someone doesn't agree with what he's saying, we look like we're "full of righteous anger," which makes being antagonistic acceptable.Ampere wrote:I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here, but stop for a sec, and look at your posts and tell me if they seem like an invitation to a "discussion" or simply a call out for a flame war.
I've actually fought him. Like, three times. And barely escaped with my life. And he wasn't angry any of those times.Ampere wrote:[Note to self: Do *NOT* want to see an "actual" pissed off Paul.]
That's usually part of what makes you one of god's special little children.32 wrote: I'd like to help, either way, but I suspect I won't be able to resist calling him an idiot while I'm trying to help. It's my special flaw.
Yeah, I think he's a pod-person or something.Cash wrote:Amp:
3278's actually playing nice. I'm scared.
Agreed! Frankly, I think I sound a lot more irritated when I'm not, because of my semi-formal style. When I'm amusedly irritated, I'm flip, and when I'm really irritated, I swear. It's usually pretty obvious - I think - when I've gotten really frustrated, but that happens thankfully seldom.Ampere wrote:Irritated/ not-irritated...tough to tell.
Most of the people I know have known me in-person for, like, 15 years, and I don't think anyone knows me. My "subtle layers" are carefully-crafted means of making certain no one can know too much about me. Information control.Ampere wrote:Maybe if folks lived within 20 miles and hung out on a quasi-regular basis it would be different in appearance. I figure most folks aren't going to notice your subtle layers.
I miss the days when, if someone called us all "fucktards," as Gareth did, we just bombed them into oblivion without any sort of attempt at accord. By the same token, I like that we've grown as people. Sort of.Ampere wrote:And I'd have to agree, I don't think it really matters, a confrontation was bound to happen.
And just think: we haven't gotten started yet. There's only been a couple of really serious conversations thus far, and I can feel my brain starting to become malleable again. Could it be? Could we have a place to challenge ourselves mentally again? That's what I "missed about Bulldrek."Szechuan wrote:This is completely off-topic, but until now I did not realize the extent to which I missed hearing from all of you. I can practically hear my brain getting more flexible!
Well, fuck you, dude! I'm going to find your forum and post pages of smilies to it! How you like that? Fucktard.Ampere wrote:I don't necissarily miss the days of Total War is someone called the collective "Fucktards".
5.9 hours away. The math has been done. I only need to finish up a few sandbags, prime the mines, and set the headspace and timing on the M2. PLENTY of time!Cash wrote:No, no. We can blame Serious Paul. I'm 2,000 miles away and safe. You, on the other hand, are a few hours drive away from him.
Reality called. It said to tell you that you're not responsible. And it wants its car back.WillyGilligan wrote:Reality notwithstanding, I feel kind of responsible for this. Which is really ironic, given how non-combative I am.
