Gang Violence in the QC(Queen City)

Ghotty · Post by **Ghotty** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:24 pm

Well, I was talking to a OOG(Double-OG) lastnight, and it turns out that the Crips of Charlotte have decided to import a bunch of their Chi-Town OGs down to charlotte, in response to the false-flagging of charlotte's own "Kings" gang. This comes to a surprise to many Kings, who considered Crips and Folk to be their "kin" or "Fam". I predicted this like 2 years ago after talking to a Folk minister of Corrections(basically an OG who specilizes in beating up false-flaggers and correcting their ways).

This is going to be funny. Kings are about to have their Crowns snatched. And once Crips consildate their hold over the kings, it's going to be hell to pay with the Vice Lords(who are moving down to offset the growth of Crip/Folk influence in the charlotte hoods) and Bloods.

I'm going to be laughing.

MooCow · Post by **MooCow** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:27 pm

I have no idea what you are talking about, other then it sounds like some people are going to get beaten up.

Subversive Agent · Post by **Subversive Agent** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:34 pm

Yo. Homie. Assorted insults in spanish. That's about the sum of my vocabulary on the subject :cool

Sure sounds like you should be writing up Target : Ganglands though

Daki · Post by **Daki** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:51 pm

Translation time...

OG= Original Gangsta or Old Gangsta (depending on where you are at). These are the senior members of a gang who have been around for years (or in rare case decades)

OOG= These would be the OGs that were around back in the beginning. Consider them Don-like in their level of respect amoung gangs.

Kings, Folk, and Crips are all major gangs in the United States. Kings usually tag (mark) their territories with 5-point crowns (hence the comment about getting their crowns snatched)

False-flaggers are wanna-be gangs that brag about being part of the Kings, Folks, etc. The major gangs are made up of smaller chapters all across the country that are granted membership. So a gang of only 5-10 people could be called Kings even though there are only ten of them.

Vice Lords are another gang (and have a large presence here in Chicago).

Bloods are the main rival gang to the Crips.

Ghotty · Post by **Ghotty** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:53 pm

Well, I grew out of my "gangmember" phase. Not the criminal mind of a gangmember, I just realized that the gang I was a member to was 1) full of usters, 2) was under alot of false shit. Being that in heart I understand the gang code(it's basically a warrior's code), I couldn't be part of something I disapproved of.

And now, I don't wanna fuck with the gangs in charlotte, for exactly the same reason.

But I know alot about it, and I stay in touch with a number of gangmembers.

This should result in plenty of shooting and beatings. Most of the Kings will prolly fold into the crips/Folks, and those that are left wil lbe fighting Bloods, Vice Lords, Crips and Folks. This doesn't include the MS-13 and latino gangs that run around too.

In fact, I live in the heart of a MS-13 area. Fortunately, I know aa Veterano of the group, and he's been cool with my family since like, I was 9. So I have no fear or dislike for MS-13.

Kai · Post by **Kai** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:28 pm

I still think its amusing Charolotte thinks they have a gang problem...I mean, really.

3278 · Post by **3278** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:36 pm

I think the whole notion is amusing. A bunch of kids playing dress-up, with guns. Inventing their own politics, breaking down everything they wish was built up, then bitching when they don't get their way. Short-sighted, useless. Stupid asses.

Cash · Post by **Cash** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:51 pm

What many of them don't realize is that the smaller gangs are nothing but fodder for the larger ones and the larger ones are nothing but fodder for organized crime.

Ghotty · Post by **Ghotty** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 7:50 pm

Go ahead and tell me that Charlotte doesn't have a gang problem. Because you're right, we really don't. That's changing.

But, uh, Kai. I recommend you never go onto the Ford(Beatties Ford road) or to Hidden Valley. Or Hickory Grove. Parts of Tuck. Albermarle. Because these are all places where you will get robbed, raped, assaulted or generally fucked with. I don't go to the places without my "entourage" as it was. Well, Except Tuck, cuz that's my hood. And even then, there's places(like Westchester) that I leave alone.

Go ahead and say what you want about Charlotte's crime and gangs. I do know that this city has alot of car thefts and armed Robberies. In fact, amongst the Hip-Hop community, there's a number of Artists who won't comeback to charlotte.

Luda. Lil' Scrappy. They got robbed and assaulted.

And as charlotte continues to grow, the continues to be more and more growth of gangs. Hey, when I was a kid, Crips and Bloods weren't that big here. Kings were just starting. Now, Kings are the Largest Charlotte Gang, Crips are on the upswing, Bloods are holding on. Infact, here's a Sitrep, expanded of Charlotte Gang Activity, from the streets(i.e. me) and not the authorities:

Kings: Daki, Charlotte's kings have little if nothing to do with the Kings nationwide. They rock 6 Point Crowns down here(probably due to an attempt to mollify Crips), and in my opinion are a bunch of fakes. They've got the wrong knowledge, and it's going to hurt.

Kings are concentrated in Hidden Valley(Hidden Valley Kings claim to be the only "true" Kings) and there's alot on Shamrock. Not so many in Beatties Ford or Tuck. The Kings have nominal alliances with charlotte's Crips, though as I said, this is about to go. Kings are nominally at war with bloods, though in alot of places, this is relaxed. Kings are Hostile to MS-13, but outright war has been avoided so-far.

Crips and Folk: These are the crips from LA. Alot of them are hooked up with the Folk from chi-town(Chicago) and Folk and Crip in charlotte are under the 8-ball(meaning they're at peace. IF the 8-ball was "dropped" or cracked, it would mean war between them. The Eight-ball is made by making the "C" and the "fork" with your hands and combining them.). Folk, I mean actualy GD/BGD(Gangsta Disciple, Black Gangsta Disciples) are kind of rare in charlotte. It's more common to find a Folk whose down with a Crip set than to find an actual set of Folk.

With the growing increase of "true blue" Crips, charlotte's gang enviroment is likely to go from the sedate posturing it's currently in, to alot of fighting and violence. This is in response to the blood assasians who've been popping up. See, for the last 3 years, out of town Bloods have come down to charlotte, found crips and killed/kidnapped/atteampted to do the above to them. This was to support the Blods who have been losing turf left-and right(hehe..gang pun!), and it seems to have eliminated some of the mid-level leadership(the "Gs", but less than "Lieutenants").

I think the increase of out-of town Gs is directly relatable to this. In fact, these Gs are not here to bang so much as they are to train the soldiers of most Crip sets in charlotte. Think of it like military advisors. They're going to show these footsoldiers and BGs how to represent the Crips. This is not going to be pretty, especially as it's Chi-town that's sending'em.

Crips like to Claim sections of the Ford, parts of the Valley(where they at peace /w kings, for now), Westchester, and various enclaves around Independence and Commonwealth.

Bloods: These guys have been getting hit hard for the last 6 years or so. Bloods have had no one to turn to. Oh, sure there's the occasional Vice Lord, Damu or Piru exile in charlotte, but no large set orginizations. This, as ussualy, makes bloods some of the most gangster in charlotte. They know they have no body having their back.

Apparantly, it seems they called in some out-of town favors recently, and that's why assasians have been hitting the mid-level crip leadership.

Now, it seems the Bloods are about to get a big influx from the Vice Lords(typically aligned alongside the bloods, along with 5%ers, El Rukns, and Black Stone Disciples(BSDs)). This will probably spark a large growth in Blood recruitment.

Right now, Bloods are probably the smallest gang in charlotte, which contributes to their passivity.

MS-13: Mara-Saltchura 13, is form Salvador. These guys are the real fucking deal, locos hombres de malo. They had a major purge in Charlotte recently. I know a Veterano(OG) of the group, and he's been a family friend for 9+ years. And him and the other Salvadorans I know are dangerous.

The Military background alot of the Veteranos have means that they arn't afraid to kill, and in alot of cases, they know how to evade the law enforcement groups. I live in an MS-13 claimed hood. It's al lgood though.

They seem fairly peaceful though, so long as you arn't on their turf wearing colors, selling dope in their spots or doing things they don't like.

42nd Street Lil' Criminals: I've never seen one of these guys, but suppousedly they exist here.

Kai · Post by **Kai** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 8:30 pm

Dude. I live in Atlanta. Think about that for a second. Do you really think I don't know where I don't walk alone, where I don't walk at night, and where the deals go down in broad daylight? There are places the delivery guys go packing and places they don't go at all. Most of the downtown area is extremely segregated into Safe and Not Safe.

Living outside the Perimeter there's not much to bother me, but I hear and see enough elsewhere to know a gang problem in Charolette wouldn't even register here.

Daki · Post by **Daki** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 8:40 pm

Heh. I grew up on the south side of Chicago.

Angel · Post by **Angel** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:00 pm

I'm with 32, but I would add that what's more amusing than the children playing with gang handsignals is the way some people brag about knowing the in-and-outs of "gangland U.S.A.", it's on the verge of being juvenile.

Daki · Post by **Daki** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:14 pm

Have to agree with Angel that is does almost sound like dick swinging. What I know about gangs comes from where I lived growing up and worknig with several police agencies when I was younger.

Gangs are like kids playing "grown-up mobster" and organized crime has the perfect market to fence their goods.

Serious Paul · Post by **Serious Paul** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:16 pm

I am surprised anyone who lives in the South would be surprised at the gang land growth there. North Click is a big stop in the drug traffic, and increasingly black culture in this area is buying into Snoop Dogg videos.

Atlanta rules. freakNik was fucking awesome the two years I went.

Not a work safe link.

Salvation122 · Post by **Salvation122** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:24 pm

Ghotty wrote:Go ahead and say what you want about Charlotte's crime and gangs. I do know that this city has alot of car thefts and armed Robberies. In fact, amongst the Hip-Hop community, there's a number of Artists who won't comeback to charlotte.

Ghotty, man, I understand what you're saying. I really do. But I live on the outskirts of Memphis. I promise you that Orange Mound and Whitehaven have a much, much, much bigger gang problem than you do. (Course, I'm well east of that, so it's not much of an issue for me unless I miss an exit going downtown and have to take Danny Thomas. Scary shit, that.)

Toryu · Post by **Toryu** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:12 pm

Heh. I'm kinda glad we don't have all that 'gang culture' over here. Nor parts of town that are no-go zones.

MooCow · Post by **MooCow** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:17 pm

I personally like my dad's solution to inner city gang violence..... Saturation bombing. Solves urban decay as well.

Cazmonster · Post by **Cazmonster** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:34 pm

MooCow wrote:I personally like my dad's solution to inner city gang violence..... Saturation bombing. Solves urban decay as well.

I'm almost with Moo on this one. However, I want squads of troops deployed into these areas, let the gangbangers know in no uncertain terms, that the biggest dog on the square is and always will be Johnny Law.

MooCow · Post by **MooCow** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:40 pm

I'm almost with Moo on this one

Seriously dude, you need to get more sleep.

Sowhat · Post by **Sowhat** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 3:40 am

What do these gangs actually do? I know they fight each other, but they wouldn't have to fight each other if they didn't exist, so other than fighting each other and claiming territory, what do they actually do?

WillyGilligan · Post by **WillyGilligan** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:24 am

Crime. Selling drugs, stealing cars, that sort of thing. When they claim territory, it means that they're saying they get to make illegal money there. That's why they fight (well, that and pride) and tag buildings.

Salvation122 · Post by **Salvation122** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 6:01 am

Toryu wrote:Heh. I'm kinda glad we don't have all that 'gang culture' over here. Nor parts of town that are no-go zones.

Yeah, it's kinda scary when you're driving to a client and take a wrong turn and end up hip-deep in trash and broken hypodermics and ugly-ass hookers and very pissed-off looking black people wondering what the fuck the white kid with the nice clothes and watch and car and cellphone is doing there. Particularly when there's not really anywhere to turn around.

DV8 · Post by **DV8** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:31 am

Toryu wrote:Heh. I'm kinda glad we don't have all that 'gang culture' over here. Nor parts of town that are no-go zones.

No, instead, we get the different mafia ethnicities...everywhere.

Toryu · Post by **Toryu** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:44 am

DV8 wrote:
Toryu wrote:Heh. I'm kinda glad we don't have all that 'gang culture' over here. Nor parts of town that are no-go zones.
No, instead, we get the different mafia ethnicities...everywhere.

Yeah, true. At least organized crime doesn't mug you in the street like low-level gangs would, so you can walk around virtually everywhere.

Eva · Post by **Eva** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:51 am

It must be different for women, because there are definitely places in Amsterdam I would not go by myself, night or day.

lorg · Post by **lorg** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:38 am

Doesn't every city have that part of the town? One you wouldn't go to unless you had five friends and baseball bats with you.

Subversive Agent · Post by **Subversive Agent** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:57 am

Eva wrote:It must be different for women, because there are definitely places in Amsterdam I would not go by myself, night or day.

Can I have a list?

mrmooky · Post by **mrmooky** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 10:08 am

lorg wrote:Doesn't every city have that part of the town? One you wouldn't go to unless you had five friends and baseball bats with you.

I'm thinking five friends with baseball bats wouldn't be much use against the gangs in most American cities. You know, the whole gun thing and all.

There aren't really any places in Melbourne I'd be afraid to go. There are a couple in Sydney and Perth, though. And it definitely helps to be male. But you're unlikely to actually be at any great risk. So no, there isn't a no go zone in every city.

Liniah · Post by **Liniah** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:09 am

Cazmonster · Post by **Cazmonster** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 2:52 pm

mrmooky wrote:
lorg wrote:Doesn't every city have that part of the town? One you wouldn't go to unless you had five friends and baseball bats with you.
I'm thinking five friends with baseball bats wouldn't be much use against the gangs in most American cities. You know, the whole gun thing and all.

There aren't really any places in Melbourne I'd be afraid to go. There are a couple in Sydney and Perth, though. And it definitely helps to be male. But you're unlikely to actually be at any great risk. So no, there isn't a no go zone in every city.

It depends on the friends. I'd pretty much walk into anything short of military-class gunfire if it's say Bish, Paul and me with thumpsticks. The second one of us shatters a ribcage, the game begins in earnest.

lorg · Post by **lorg** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 3:04 pm

As noted by Caz it does depend on your friends and their skills in/with violence. But it wasn't intended that way but instead it was more of a figure of speech rather then what it would actually take to drag me into that corner of town.

Daki · Post by **Daki** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 3:08 pm

Cazmonster wrote:
mrmooky wrote:
lorg wrote:Doesn't every city have that part of the town? One you wouldn't go to unless you had five friends and baseball bats with you.
I'm thinking five friends with baseball bats wouldn't be much use against the gangs in most American cities. You know, the whole gun thing and all.

There aren't really any places in Melbourne I'd be afraid to go. There are a couple in Sydney and Perth, though. And it definitely helps to be male. But you're unlikely to actually be at any great risk. So no, there isn't a no go zone in every city.
It depends on the friends. I'd pretty much walk into anything short of military-class gunfire if it's say Bish, Paul and me with thumpsticks. The second one of us shatters a ribcage, the game begins in earnest.

You'd have a party like this and wouldn't invite me?!? :cry

Subversive Agent · Post by **Subversive Agent** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 3:15 pm

Can i fly the assault helicopter?

Cazmonster · Post by **Cazmonster** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 3:15 pm

Daki wrote:
Cazmonster wrote:It depends on the friends. I'd pretty much walk into anything short of military-class gunfire if it's say Bish, Paul and me with thumpsticks. The second one of us shatters a ribcage, the game begins in earnest.
You'd have a party like this and wouldn't invite me?!? :cry

Of course not, it's not a rib-smashing party if Daki's not there. Blame it on the caffeine not streaming directly to my brain-meat.

Daki · Post by **Daki** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 3:17 pm

Okay, you are forgiven.

*Reads what Caz said again*

Not a WORD Gunny. Not a word!

MooCow · Post by **MooCow** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 3:19 pm

Dude, you really need to just start injecting the stuff directly into your vein. I'm pretty sure Starbucks sells coffee in needles.

Subversive Agent · Post by **Subversive Agent** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 3:19 pm

Daki wrote:Okay, you are forgiven.

*Reads what Caz said again*

Not a WORD Gunny. Not a word!

Got rib?

Gunny · Post by **Gunny** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 3:25 pm

Cazmonster · Post by **Cazmonster** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 3:48 pm

If there's some barbacue I'm missing out on, y'all are in deep trouble. I needs some smoked brisket and soon.

Daki · Post by **Daki** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:07 pm

No Caz... it's not a BBQ. This is something totally different that I cannot seem to EVER live down.

Gunny · Post by **Gunny** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:35 pm

Did I say anything?!?! I'm totally innocent this time!

MmMm... BBQ beef brisket...

Toon · Post by **Toon** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:48 pm

Gunny wrote:Did I say anything?!?! I'm totally innocent this time!

You? Innocent? Since when?

Though I do have to admit, the evidence shows that yo uare apparently very good at making barbecued ribs.

Liniah · Post by **Liniah** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:29 pm

Cazmonster wrote:If there's some barbacue I'm missing out on, y'all are in deep trouble. I needs some smoked brisket and soon.

Well, i'm having one on Tues, but...well, yeah..

Amber · Post by **Amber** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 2:18 am

mrmooky wrote:There aren't really any places in Melbourne I'd be afraid to go. There are a couple in Sydney and Perth, though. And it definitely helps to be male. But you're unlikely to actually be at any great risk. So no, there isn't a no go zone in every city.

Where wouldn't you go in Sydney?

mrmooky · Post by **mrmooky** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 2:35 am

I haven't been to Sydney for a few years, so things may have improved, but there were some back streets in Kings Cross I wouldn't have walked through after dark. Redfern wouldn't be a destination of choice for me either.

The only real encounter with a gang I've ever had was some rich white kids having a turf war outside of my grandparents' house in Perth last year. Lots of talking and very little action. It was actually quite entertaining.

LynGrey · Post by **LynGrey** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:30 am

Yeah i havn't really seen gang activity first hand, herd alot about it.

I do know there is alot of freaking false flagging pricks out there, i remember in high school eveyrbody was a member of the bloods or the crips.. ooo.. ahhh.. yeah.

Charlotte has the "we're small, but fiesty" syndrome. Even the the suburbian bankers that work downtown have it, "Look i'm a banker, We are damned good at it!! And i'm not scared to prove it"

Thats my only problem... gangs here will do anythign to prove themselves.

well peace out kiddos. Don't bicker too much =p