The Antichrist?

Buzzed · Post by **Buzzed** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:16 am

Is it possible for the Pope or a future Pope to be the Antichrist?

ak404 · Post by **ak404** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:42 am

I don't think so. You see, the Antichrist is going to be popular and marketable and likeable (despite being everything Christ would never be) to a lot of fanatical believers who'd otherwise be total losers if they didn't have a cause - that's why he's gonna be the Antichrist. He's gonna give their lives false meaning.

I mean, when's the last time a large number of people could call themselves fanatical believers of a Pope who acted nothing like Christ?

MooCow · Post by **MooCow** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:42 am

Ummmm..... Why wouldn't it be?

FlameBlade · Post by **FlameBlade** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:46 am

Ak: easy. Crusades.

Anguirel · Post by **Anguirel** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:52 am

<Song Class="Mel Brooks"> The Inquisition... what a show, the Inquisition, here we go... </Song>

FlakJacket · Post by **FlakJacket** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:58 am

Check out the middle ages. Kings and princes would plot, scheme and murder to get their people made Pope. Back then they had enormous temporal power and influence and nearly everyone believed in the chruch.

3278 · Post by **3278** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:11 am

ak404 wrote:I mean, when's the last time a large number of people could call themselves fanatical believers of a Pope who acted nothing like Christ?

Oh, wait. You /are/ joking, right?

mrmooky · Post by **mrmooky** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 2:30 am

Buzzed wrote:Is it possible for the Pope or a future Pope to be the Antichrist?

If it were the current Pope, it would be a pretty anticlimactic reign of terror.

I'm sure it would be theoretically possible for a future Pope to become the Antichrist, but I suspect one of the world's billion or so Catholics might figure it out, and alert the rest. So I don't think he'd be a very good Antichrist.

It amuses me that American Christians always assume it is a foreigner who will be the Antichrist. In reality, if you're looking for a figure with millions of blind and unconditional followers, who claims to be religious and is a political power with global influence, you need look no further than your own President.

You wouldn't like that one, now, would you, Buzzed?

FlameBlade · Post by **FlameBlade** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 2:33 am

Unless...you're reading Demons and Angels by Dan Brown, the author who wrote Da Vinci Code

MissTeja · Post by **MissTeja** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 2:53 am

In order for the Pope to be the Antichrist, there would have to be a really evil Pope, but there would also have to be such a thing as an Antichrist. If there is such a thing as an Antichrist, it could only be because there's a Christ, right? You know - the whole, no dark without light, no "wrong" if there's no "right" sorta deal. So, I guess it's pretty subjective. I think there's as much chance of the Pope being the Antichrist as me being the Antichrist. It would really matter your faith. If you're blind, there's no sheep. If you're deaf, there's no sopranos. If you're a fish, there's no McDonalds. So, if you're faithless, then the Pope would just be a really bad, bad man. Y'know?

Fast food is evil anyways. The way I see it, the fish have it pretty damned good.

MissTeja · Post by **MissTeja** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 2:54 am

Wow. Just read that. I am seriously on crack.

Daki · Post by **Daki** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 3:22 am

I take it we are assuming the Book of Revelations was predicting the future and not a historical document?

lorg · Post by **lorg** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:20 am

ak404 wrote:I don't think so. You see, the Antichrist is going to be popular and marketable and likeable (despite being everything Christ would never be) to a lot of fanatical believers who'd otherwise be total losers if they didn't have a cause - that's why he's gonna be the Antichrist. He's gonna give their lives false meaning.

OH MY GOD! It's David Beckham .....

Twisted Sister · Post by **Twisted Sister** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:29 am

OH MY GOD! It's David Beckham .....

That - was fucking funny. *mad props*

3278 · Post by **3278** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:42 am

mrmooky wrote:
Buzzed wrote:Is it possible for the Pope or a future Pope to be the Antichrist?
If it were the current Pope, it would be a pretty anticlimactic reign of terror.

mrmooky wrote:It amuses me that American Christians always assume it is a foreigner who will be the Antichrist.

The Bible says so.

mrmooky wrote:In reality, if you're looking for a figure with millions of blind and unconditional followers, who claims to be religious and is a political power with global influence, you need look no further than your own President.

Well, that's cute, lorg - I mean, Mooky - but those aren't the defining characteristics of the antichrist.

ak404 · Post by **ak404** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 10:30 am

Funny thing is this. The Antichrist wouldn't be evil, nor conscious of the fact that he is the Antichrist. All he has to be is some idiot with a lot of good intentions and not a whole lot of common sense.

Johnny the Bull · Post by **Johnny the Bull** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:39 pm

lorg wrote:
ak404 wrote:I don't think so. You see, the Antichrist is going to be popular and marketable and likeable (despite being everything Christ would never be) to a lot of fanatical believers who'd otherwise be total losers if they didn't have a cause - that's why he's gonna be the Antichrist. He's gonna give their lives false meaning.
OH MY GOD! It's David Beckham .....

I was thinking the same thing.

Bishop · Post by **Bishop** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 2:08 pm

MissTeja wrote:In order for the Pope to be the Antichrist, there would have to be a really evil Pope, but there would also have to be such a thing as an Antichrist. If there is such a thing as an Antichrist, it could only be because there's a Christ, right? You know - the whole, no dark without light, no "wrong" if there's no "right" sorta deal. So, I guess it's pretty subjective. I think there's as much chance of the Pope being the Antichrist as me being the Antichrist. It would really matter your faith. If you're blind, there's no sheep. If you're deaf, there's no sopranos. If you're a fish, there's no McDonalds. So, if you're faithless, then the Pope would just be a really bad, bad man. Y'know?

Fast food is evil anyways. The way I see it, the fish have it pretty damned good.

I think you need some more sleep there, Teja. Damn.

3278 · Post by **3278** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 2:46 pm

ak404 wrote:Funny thing is this. The Antichrist wouldn't be evil, nor conscious of the fact that he is the Antichrist. All he has to be is some idiot with a lot of good intentions and not a whole lot of common sense.

AK, are you operating on some non-Christian notion of the antichrist?

lorg · Post by **lorg** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 2:51 pm

3278 wrote:
mrmooky wrote:It amuses me that American Christians always assume it is a foreigner who will be the Antichrist.
The Bible says so.

Does it also say foreign from whom? After all the bible is not an American book to start with, or are we talking about your highly personal and very own one and true Bible interpretation now?

3278 wrote:
mrmooky wrote:In reality, if you're looking for a figure with millions of blind and unconditional followers, who claims to be religious and is a political power with global influence, you need look no further than your own President.
Well, that's cute, lorg - I mean, Mooky - but those aren't the defining characteristics of the antichrist.

Oh that is nice, now you can't even tell us appart. BTW I don't think Bush is the antichrist.

MooCow · Post by **MooCow** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 3:11 pm

Oh that is nice, now you can't even tell us appart. BTW I don't think Bush is the antichrist.

He's not? Well fuck. Maybe I'll vote for Kerry afterall.

3278 · Post by **3278** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 3:28 pm

lorg wrote:Does it also say foreign from whom? After all the bible is not an American book to start with, or are we talking about your highly personal and very own one and true Bible interpretation now?

Yes, that's exactly it.

Chill, dude.

My impression has always been that the antichrist will rise in the Middle East. Now, that impression may certainly be influenced by the fact that the Bible's authors thought the Middle East was the whole world, so perhaps I'm incorrect. As I say, this is just my impression. I don't actually have my own Bible. [Yet.]

For that matter, as far as the Bible is concerned, anyone who doesn't accept Jesus is the son of God carries with them the spirit of the antichrist. Which is cool.

lorg wrote:Oh that is nice, now you can't even tell us appart.

Oh, I can tell you apart. [Usually.] I was being funny. Ha ha ha.

So, this discussion has gotten about as far as it can get without recourse to the Bible. Anyone want to actually turn to it for information?

Kai · Post by **Kai** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 4:34 pm

Not really

Buzzed · Post by **Buzzed** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 6:20 pm

mrmooky wrote:
Buzzed wrote:Is it possible for the Pope or a future Pope to be the Antichrist?
If it were the current Pope, it would be a pretty anticlimactic reign of terror.

I'm sure it would be theoretically possible for a future Pope to become the Antichrist, but I suspect one of the world's billion or so Catholics might figure it out, and alert the rest. So I don't think he'd be a very good Antichrist.

It amuses me that American Christians always assume it is a foreigner who will be the Antichrist. In reality, if you're looking for a figure with millions of blind and unconditional followers, who claims to be religious and is a political power with global influence, you need look no further than your own President.

You wouldn't like that one, now, would you, Buzzed?

Too many people hate Bush to even remotely qualify as the Antichrist.

Santa Clause is a much better bet.

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 6:31 pm

Silly people. It's so obvious. Colin Powell must be the antichrist.

ak404 · Post by **ak404** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:29 pm

3278 wrote:
ak404 wrote:Funny thing is this. The Antichrist wouldn't be evil, nor conscious of the fact that he is the Antichrist. All he has to be is some idiot with a lot of good intentions and not a whole lot of common sense.
AK, are you operating on some non-Christian notion of the antichrist?

No, I'm operating on the priciple that people, on the whole, aren't consciously evil for evil's sake, and people who are don't get a big following. Mostly people who do evil acts do it for things like money, sex, fear, or power; they generally don't think "I shall do this for my lord Satan."

WillyGilligan · Post by **WillyGilligan** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 10:34 pm

No, they think "I serve YOU, my dark master. Aaaaaaaaaand Satan!"

mrmooky · Post by **mrmooky** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 2:03 am

Buzzed wrote:Too many people hate Bush to even remotely qualify as the Antichrist.

I'm not saying Bush is the Antichrist. In fact, I believe that, according to the Bible, the Antichrist will deny that Christ rose from death, which rules Bush out. Still, it's much more likely that there will be a non-Christian American President than a non-Christian Pope, and so I'm saying a future President is worth considering.

Nightsky · Post by **Nightsky** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:48 am

Pah. Everyone knows the antichrist will be a lawyer.

ak404 · Post by **ak404** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 5:27 am

I daresay that the Antichrist will be the host of a reality TV show.

lorg · Post by **lorg** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 9:58 am

3278 wrote:For that matter, as far as the Bible is concerned, anyone who doesn't accept Jesus is the son of God carries with them the spirit of the antichrist. Which is cool.

:evil Sweet! It could be me! :evil

ak404 wrote:I daresay that the Antichrist will be the host of a reality TV show.

What will it be called? Highway to hell?

Nightsky wrote:Pah. Everyone knows the antichrist will be a lawyer.

John Edwards?

3278 · Post by **3278** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:48 am

ak404 wrote:No, I'm operating on the priciple that people, on the whole, aren't consciously evil for evil's sake, and people who are don't get a big following. Mostly people who do evil acts do it for things like money, sex, fear, or power; they generally don't think "I shall do this for my lord Satan."

I am completely unqualified to speak of the motives of people who pursue evil for anything other than evil's own sake. I do not doubt that you are correct, I simply cannot understand them.

TLM · Post by **TLM** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 1:03 pm

C'mon, the antichrist is Eminem. Seriously. The combination of white-trash and rap? An unbeatable cornucopia of eeeeevil. If Bush wants to do a really, really good deed, he'll send Eminem to fucking Camp X-ray for "processing" <hem hem>. No human rights organization in the world will care. In fact... They may even applaud him.

Johnny the Bull · Post by **Johnny the Bull** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:47 pm

Nightsky wrote:Pah. Everyone knows the antichrist will be a lawyer.

[Hushed tones]Yes brother, he knows too much... I agree... Lets get him...[/hushed tones]

Mr Nightsky, this is a court order for you to follow us into this nice soundproof cube shaped space hereafter referred to as the "room".

*BLAM*

Buzzed · Post by **Buzzed** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:50 pm

The Antichrist could be an organisation that unifies all the nations of the world. The Roman empire could be argued to have been one of six former Antichrists that failed.

Johnny the Bull · Post by **Johnny the Bull** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:53 pm

Buzzed wrote:The Antichrist could be an organisation that unifies all the nations of the world. The Roman empire could be argues to have been one of six former Antichrists that failed.

Here's a way out thought. Maybe the bible is a crock of shit and there will be no antichrist. Ever.

3278 · Post by **3278** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 4:01 pm

That's impossible! God told us so!

Chopper · Post by **Chopper** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 4:20 pm

Johnny the Bull wrote:Here's a way out thought. Maybe the bible is a crock of shit and there will be no antichrist. Ever.

Whoah dude. That's deep. Your wisdom and insight amazes me.

Ampere · Post by **Ampere** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 5:57 pm

Allright...this has gone on long enough. I admit it...it's me. Yeah, i'm the Anti-christ. I could easily give you a whole slew of references, but everytime I pick up that infernal Bible, my hands burst in to flames. WhodaThunk?

B. Gates
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ak404 · Post by **ak404** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 7:54 pm

Buzzed wrote:The Antichrist could be an organisation that unifies all the nations of the world. The Roman empire could be argued to have been one of six former Antichrists that failed.

And that sounds way too much like the "Left Behind" series where the Antichrist is the head of the UN. (Thank you, American bias against the UN.)

Serious Paul · Post by **Serious Paul** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 7:58 pm

I have reliable information that Ampere is not the Antichrist, however I do have evidence that implicates Alfred E. Neuman...

Ampere · Post by **Ampere** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:11 pm

Serious Paul wrote:I have reliable information that Ampere is not the Antichrist, however I do have evidence that implicates Alfred E. Neuman...

Ok, you got me...I was anti-christ last term. This term which started a few weeks ago gave rise to a New Anti-christ...Alfred E. Neuman. This term is only 6 months, so this Yule we'll have another Anti-christ.

I have heard that Bishop is getting good returns at the primaries. That's right, our own Bishop is going strong in the runoff for Anti-christ 2005!

Serious Paul · Post by **Serious Paul** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:12 pm

Normally I'd voe Veed....but in this case....

Bishop · Post by **Bishop** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:54 pm

I need photoshop skills.

Crazy Elf · Post by **Crazy Elf** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 5:39 am

Don't see why it couldn't be the Pope. The idea is that the anti-Christ gets a following which will put the souls of people in jepordy and all that. The pope wouldn't be a bad goal to go for, because quite simply, the Catholics have to be the most intollerant bunch of people to follow someone who said, "Love everyone," that have ever walked the face of the plannet, with the exception of Bible-belt America.

FlakJacket · Post by **FlakJacket** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 8:46 pm

Bishop wrote:I need photoshop skills.

Who needs photoshop?

Serious Paul · Post by **Serious Paul** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:04 pm

I think it would be funny if it turned out the Osmonds were somehow involved with the Antichrist. I really do.

lordhellion · Post by **lordhellion** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 8:31 pm

Depending on who you talk to, they are. I know some quote-unquote "TRUE" Christians who swear that Mormonism is a demonic cult.

Instant Cash · Post by **Instant Cash** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 8:40 pm

lordhellion wrote:Depending on who you talk to, they are. I know some quote-unquote "TRUE" Christians who swear that Mormonism is a demonic cult.

w00t, my relatives are demon cultists!

lordhellion · Post by **lordhellion** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 8:42 pm

As are mine. Who accuse my Wiccan mom and sister of being demonic cultists themselves.

Everyone is someone else's scapegoat...

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