Your political compass

Johnny the Bull · Post by **Johnny the Bull** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:08 pm

Marius wrote:
Buzzed wrote:Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 2.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.72
Heh heh. You're a frickin' communist.

I think they are a bit off with the dot that they place for Liberal Democrats. They got that dot confused with Conservative Democrats. The site obviously just doesn't want to admit that a large chunk of democrats are conservative.
Liberal and Conservative Democrats are European terms, I believe. They are not referring to groups within the US Party called the Democrats.
More specifically, they're speaking of the British party named the Liberal Democrats, who are, rather to my liking, reasonably conservative. Not quite conservative enough, but then, who is?

Maybe the Amish.

mrmooky · Post by **mrmooky** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:13 pm

Depends what you mean by conservative, I guess. The Flat Earth Society is making a pretty good go of it.

Anguirel · Post by **Anguirel** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:07 pm

Let's see if I can make this work...

And a close up of the cluttered region (which I started just prior to realizing I could move names... they were on top of each other originally - first pic has been edited)

Maybe I'll add in the Libertarian/Authoritarian labels and stuff later. If people want them and stuff.

Marius · Post by **Marius** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:17 pm

By the way, I took the quiz again, and came in at 6.38, -2.3.

Then I took it one last time, and instead of answering the ambiguous wording of the questions, I answered to the issue the question was addressing. Came in at 8.75, -2.3. I figure my actual score is probably between the two, closer to the second.

Szechuan · Post by **Szechuan** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:25 pm

I retook the test, as well.

Original Score
Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.10

New Score
Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.97

Anguirel · Post by **Anguirel** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 6:03 pm

Marius wrote:By the way, I took the quiz again, and came in at 6.38, -2.3.

Then I took it one last time, and instead of answering the ambiguous wording of the questions, I answered to the issue the question was addressing. Came in at 8.75, -2.3. I figure my actual score is probably between the two, closer to the second.

That's nice. You already made me resize the image a few times trying to keep you from going off the end while still leaving the rest large enough to be useful. Now you want me to add on an exta 1.75 to the side? Get me more width, this 800x600 just won't cut it...

Instant Cash · Post by **Instant Cash** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 6:03 pm

Wow, Bonefish (Ghotty) is all by his lonesome.

Cain · Post by **Cain** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:48 pm

Economic Left/Right: -4.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.97

Buzzed · Post by **Buzzed** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:14 pm

Here are the results when I plugged Bush's answers in:

Economic Left/Right: 7.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.49

I forced myself to always select the Strongly options.

These results show my view of Bush as being roughly the same for Left/Right but my view is a lower value for Social Libertarian/Authoritarian.

Salvation122 · Post by **Salvation122** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:53 pm

This quiz really needs an "I don't give a shit" option.

FlameBlade · Post by **FlameBlade** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:56 pm

Interesting. The graph is showing two kinds of clusters. Guess we know what liberal and conservative is on this board now...

Salvation122 · Post by **Salvation122** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:58 pm

You'll note that the board conservatives are a lot closer to the origin than the board liberals. Fuckin' hippies.

Marius · Post by **Marius** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:18 pm

Instant Cash wrote:Wow, Bonefish (Ghotty) is all by his lonesome.

Yeah. There are a couple of people on the board in my quadrant. According to the site, however, there are no international figures in my quadrant.

No U.S. candidates are in my quadrant or in Ghotty's. There are international figures in there with Bone. Namely, Hussein, Mugabe, Arafat, Chirac, and the Pope. Way to go Bonefish!

Marius · Post by **Marius** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:19 pm

Salvation122 wrote:You'll note that the board conservatives are a lot closer to the origin than the board liberals. Fuckin' hippies.

And note also that the origin is set for Brits. See how all of the Democratic presidential candidates are right of the origin (except the two really crazy ones)? In America the origin would be farther to the right.

Daki · Post by **Daki** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:20 pm

Dear gods there are a lot of liberals here!

Anguirel · Post by **Anguirel** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:28 pm

Salvation122 wrote:You'll note that the board conservatives are a lot closer to the origin than the board liberals. Fuckin' hippies.

The board origin is off. Here, I'll show you where the center is...

Marius · Post by **Marius** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:30 pm

hey Ang, could you send me the data sheet? I really want to see what a factor rotation gives me.

Instant Cash · Post by **Instant Cash** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:34 pm

Marius wrote: Yeah. There are a couple of people on the board in my quadrant. According to the site, however, there are no international figures in my quadrant.

All I know is that I am chillin with the Dali Lama.

Anguirel · Post by **Anguirel** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:42 pm

Instant Cash wrote:
Marius wrote: Yeah. There are a couple of people on the board in my quadrant. According to the site, however, there are no international figures in my quadrant.
All I know is that I am chillin with the Dali Lama.

All I know is I'm totally centrist.

Instant Cash · Post by **Instant Cash** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:48 pm

Daki wrote:Dear gods there are a lot of liberals here!

Yes, we are out to strangle you with our long hair and poke your eyes out with peace signs.

Data Collector · Post by **Data Collector** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:55 pm

Oye. This is Marius.
I want to do some stat analysis on the scores, so I want information.
If you've posted scores, could you also post (or send to me, if you're private) your age, gender, and location?
To avoid adding a lots of hard to find posts, you can use this post by logging in as Data Collector (password: member) and editing to add your information to the bottom of the list. Also feel free to suggest other variables you'd like to see.

Marius: 25, male, Pennsylvania USA
Toryu: 26, male, Hannover, Germany.
Johnny the Bull: 21, male, Brisbane, Australia.
Serious Paul: 29, male, Michigan USA
Uncle Joseph: 29, male, Michigan USA
Reika: 27, female, Woodridge NY USA
Angel: 20, female, Vienna Austria
Anguirel: 24, male, Syracuse NY USA
Szechuan: 20, male, Moncton NB, Canada
Salvation: 19, male, Memphis TN, USA.

Toryu · Post by **Toryu** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 8:08 am

A'ight. Toryu: 26, male, Hannover, Germany.

Serious Paul · Post by **Serious Paul** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 8:35 am

Serious Paul and Uncle Joseph, both male, both 29 (He has me by about ten months) and Michigan USA.

(Hope I am not out of line doing that Jo, but I believe the information is already out there.)

Johnny the Bull · Post by **Johnny the Bull** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 8:47 am

My responses
Economic Left/Right: 4.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.18

Johnny the Bull: 21; Male; Brisbane, Australia

I expected these kind of results. At heart I am an entrepreneur, so a freer market is better as far as I am concerned except to curb any extreme excesses by corporations. If there was a question based on succession of estates, I think I'd be closer to 2.1 on the economic left/right scales due to my views on it.

mrmooky · Post by **mrmooky** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 9:09 am

Johnny the Bull wrote:If there was a question based on succession of estates, I think I'd be closer to 2.1 on the economic left/right scales due to my views on it.

Why 2.1?

Johnny the Bull · Post by **Johnny the Bull** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 9:24 am

mrmooky wrote:
Johnny the Bull wrote:If there was a question based on succession of estates, I think I'd be closer to 2.1 on the economic left/right scales due to my views on it.
Why 2.1?

I consider succession of estates one of the worst leakages in an economy. I want to plug it by taxing all assests (aside from family dwelling, car and life insurance payments) of an estate to any single person over $500k 100%.

Reika · Post by **Reika** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 7:15 pm

Retook the test myself.

Responses:

Economic Left/Right: -7.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.82

Reika: 27; Female; Woodridge, NY, USA

Angel · Post by **Angel** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 7:36 pm

Economic Left/Right: -5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.69

Angel; 20 years old (almost 21), female, Vienna Austria - Europe.

Raygun · Post by **Raygun** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 9:08 pm

Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.72

Raygun: 27, Male, Great Falls, MT USA

Cash · Post by **Cash** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 10:55 pm

Ray:: Didn't you used to live in Dallas?

Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.23

Cash: 28, Male, San Jose, CA

Cash · Post by **Cash** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 11:00 pm

FlameBlade wrote:Interesting. The graph is showing two kinds of clusters. Guess we know what liberal and conservative is on this board now...

*walks in snapping his fingers*

When you're a liberal,
You're a liberal all the way
From your first peace protest
To your last dyin' day.

When you're a liberal,
If the voting split hits the fan,
You got judges around,
You're a protesting man!

You're never alone,
You're never disconnected!
You're home with your own:
When conservatives're expected,
You're well protected!

Then you are set
With a capital L,
Which you'll never forget
Till they cart you away.
When you're a liberal,
You stay a liberal!

MooCow · Post by **MooCow** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 11:46 pm

Yes, we are out to strangle you with our long hair and poke your eyes out with peace signs.

Hey now, don't go lumping all the long hairs together you pansy ass peacenik!!

Anguirel · Post by **Anguirel** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:27 am

Cash wrote:Ray:: Didn't you used to live in Dallas?

That's actually not a bad thing to track. Perhaps, if it makes sense for a given individual, Marius could also go for where a person was born and/or raised in addition to current residence. In my case all three locations are the same, but if someone has moved recently or whatever, they're more likely to have views in tune with where they were than where they go (unless that's why they moved). Of possibly more significant interest, whether you were raised in a city, suburb or in the country, along with the size of your school. I'd be suburb, and graduating class size was about 1,000 I think, though elementary (K-4) was split amongst three schools, and middle school (5-8) was split in two.

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 1:20 am

Economic Left/Right: -1.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.62

I didn't think I was a Leftist or a Libertarian.

Toryu · Post by **Toryu** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 6:53 am

Anguirel wrote:
Cash wrote:Ray:: Didn't you used to live in Dallas?
That's actually not a bad thing to track. Perhaps, if it makes sense for a given individual, Marius could also go for where a person was born and/or raised in addition to current residence. In my case all three locations are the same, but if someone has moved recently or whatever, they're more likely to have views in tune with where they were than where they go (unless that's why they moved).

Zang makes a valid point there. Location is quite an important factor in the test. There are some very country-specific questions, and a person may answer them differently depending on location, e. g. "Is the tax rate too high?". Kinda makes a difference if you're living in the US, or, say, Sweden.

While the location factor is of relevance, tracking where someone has lived may be a bit tricky to implement.

Raygun · Post by **Raygun** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 7:05 pm

Cash wrote:Ray:: Didn't you used to live in Dallas?

Yeah. Moved to Montana three years ago. Born in Dallas, raised in Garland, Texas (large, blue-collar suburb of Dallas). The only thing I miss is good Mexican food.

Ancient History wrote:I didn't think I was a Leftist or a Libertarian.

Neither did I. Silly Brits.

FlakJacket · Post by **FlakJacket** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 7:47 pm

Screw you Texas boy.

Just 'cause we like our politics with a little more choice than Option One, Option Two, Assorted Whackos.

Raygun · Post by **Raygun** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 8:54 pm

And you fix it by making me a leftist? Sod off!

Dammit!

JongWK · Post by **JongWK** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:21 pm

I took it twice, just to be sure.

1st test:
Economic Left/Right: -3.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.64

2nd test:
Economic Left/Right: -3.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.21

3rd test:
Economic Left/Right: -3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59

First reaction: Holy shit...

Second reaction: This test is, well, biased. I feel the wordage is ambiguous in several questions. I also agonized over some questions (Agree or Disagree), as their answers merit deeper analysis.

EDIT: JongWK, 23, male, Montevideo (Uruguay).

Marius · Post by **Marius** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:50 pm

Now how the fuck am I going to classify Uruguay?

Salvation122 · Post by **Salvation122** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:04 pm

I'd suggest [Other], myself.

Daki · Post by **Daki** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:16 pm

Daki, Male, 26, Chicago, IL USA

JongWK · Post by **JongWK** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:25 pm

Marius wrote:Now how the fuck am I going to classify Uruguay?

European wannabes wishing they weren't stuck between Argentina and Brazil?

Salvation122 wrote:I'd suggest [Other], myself.

Maybe, but Latin/South America could make for a better entry.

Instant Cash · Post by **Instant Cash** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:10 pm

IC: Male, 29, Volo, IL (Chicago) USA

Silent Sniper · Post by **Silent Sniper** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:33 pm

Economic left/right: .88
Social libertarian/authoritarian: -1.49

Silent Sniper: Male, 19, Glens Falls, NY, USA

Instant Cash · Post by **Instant Cash** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:42 pm

Oh come on now, there has to be /someone/ older than me.

Salvation122 · Post by **Salvation122** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:27 pm

Bethy and Cain, if no one else.

laughing Monkey · Post by **laughing Monkey** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:39 pm

Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.97

lorg · Post by **lorg** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:58 am

Instant; Not older then you (or perhaps I am but we have to compare actuall dates then) but I'm 29.

Reika · Post by **Reika** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 3:50 pm

Instant Cash wrote:Oh come on now, there has to be /someone/ older than me.

Sludig is older, but he doesn't post much on the board, and you're only a year or so older than me iirc.